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so far I been fasting today in solidarity with some of my brothers and sisters in the indigenous movement that are mourning the genocide and land theft of our aboriginal ancestors to protest this holiday

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November 22, 2007

This is the time of the year when we are inundated with propaganda about the U.S. holiday, Thanksgiving. Recently, the History Channel showed its rendition. The same old story: weary Pilgrims were taught how to plant crops in the new land of America by some savvy Native Americans. Then, to thank the Indians and God, the Pilgrims held a celebration in Plymouth, Massachusetts. Everybody had a great time. This was brotherhood among human beings at its best. Then, the documentary went forward in time to the 18th century. What happened between 1621 and 1675 was completely ignored. Most U.S. history books rarely mention the fate of the Indians who helped the Pilgrims survive.

Growing up in the U.S., I was told that we should be thankful and Thanksgiving is the time for this. School teacher-after-school teacher told their students to "thank God" for what they had. There was never any thought or consideration whether the students did not believe in God. God was always present and had to be thanked once a year.

In the sixth grade, I had the audacity to ask the teacher, "What about poor people? Should they be thankful?" I got my cul reamed for making such a flippant inquiry. "Poor people especially have to be thankful," I was told. "God works in mysterious ways." I did not have the nerve to tell her I did not believe in God.

In my 12 years of schooling in Rhode Island and Fall River, Massachusetts, I was taught nothing about Native American culture of the area, except at Thanksgiving. In grammar school, it was obligatory for students to create a drawing with Crayola crayons that depicted the first Thanksgiving: some weary, but benevolent white settlers mingling with Native Americans over a feast. The Indians always looked savage and the whites so civilized.

We also were told that turkey was the main fare for the feast, but again we were told another lie. Fish and small fowl, along with native vegetables, some of which the Pilgrims were unaware, adorned the menu.

The Wampanoag Indians, under Chief Massasoit, welcomed the Pilgrims to Massachusetts and provided food for what we now call the first Thanksgiving. The goodwill between the two peoples lasted only a short time, however.

Eventually, Metacomet (Anglicized name, Philip), Massasoit’s son, became chief after his father’s death. During the time of the new regime, the Puritans were launching a land-grab from the Indians and were hostile toward the Natives, who had benevolently given them the rights to thousands of acres of land while asking for nothing in return.

When Metacomet called "foul," the Puritans upped the ante. He approached the governing authorities of the Puritans and complained that they were encroaching on Indian land and stealing their crops. When a court met, it was run by three Puritain judges who negated the complaints of Metacomet and then ordered the Indians to be disarmed. That was the last straw for the Indian leader.

Over the next few years, tensions rose with Indians and Puritans alike being killed in raids. The more the Puritans encroached, the more the Indians resisted.

In 1675, all-out war began. The name given to the war was King Philip’s War. Maybe it should have been the Puritan War, but history has been unkind to the Natives.

In the beginning, Metacomet’s forces were dominating. At one time, the Puritans were pushed back and were discussing going back to England. But, the Natives began running out of food. Their demise was at hand.

Within two years, most of the proud Wampanoag Indians were massacred. A nation that included more than 30,000 people with highly-organized governments and social structures, became a shabby band of no more than 2,000 Indians at the end of the war. They were ordered into slavery. Until this day, they have never recovered. The descendants of the Wampanoags of the 17th century live today in southeastern Massachusetts and most live in poverty.

Metacomet was killed by the Puritans who paid an Indian informant to spy on him and report his location. His body parts were put on public display throughout the region. Within six decades of landing at Plymouth Rock, the whites had forever destroyed a culture that had inhabited the area for thousands of years prior to the arrival of the Mayflower.

The legacy of Metacomet should be that of America’s first resistance hero. However, few Native Americans have been given credit in U.S. history for acts of bravery, so he is still listed in our history books as a belligerent Indian who began a war against the civilized Anglos. According to white history, he was the perpetrator of the war, not the victim.

In 1675, the Boston Indian Imprisonment Act was established. It ordered the arrest of any Indian entering the city. To this day, the law is still on the books.

A tribal leader of the Kumeyaay Nation of southern California once told me that the two most sorrowful days of the year for Native Americans are Columbus Day and Thanksgiving. He could not understand why U.S. citizens in this day and age still celebrate the two days of Native American catastrophe with all the knowledge that has been forthcoming in the past few decades about the Native American holocaust.

There is some enlightenment, but still not enough. On October 12 each year, dozens of anti-Columbus Day protests are now being held in U.S. cities. Ironically, in conservative San Diego, the anti-Columbus Day protest draws more people than the official Columbus Day parade in the downtown area. I attribute this to the numbers of Kumeyaay Indians living in San Diego County.

I think the U.S. should follow the lead of President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. A few years ago, he decommissioned Columbus Day in his country and today, on the same date, the official holiday of Indian Liberation Day is celebrated.

Here is another note of irony. Each year, at Plymouth, a mock Thanksgiving feast is held for the public to view. The clothing and the food are meant to be identical to those of the original Thanksgiving. The script for this year’s event had to be re-written. Members of the Wampanoag tribe, who normally participate, decided to boycott this year’s show. They have had enough.

here's a piece by someone else:

The First Thanksgiving Celebration

Much of America's understanding of the early relationship between the Indian and the European is conveyed through the story of Thanksgiving. Proclaimed a holiday in 1863 by Abraham Lincoln, this fairy tale of a feast was allowed to exist in the American imagination pretty much untouched until 1970, the 350th anniversary of the landing of the Pilgrims. That is when Frank B. James, president of the Federated Eastern Indian League, prepared a speech for a Plymouth banquet that exposed the Pilgrims for having committed, among other crimes, the robbery of the graves of the Wampanoags.
He wrote:

"We welcomed you, the white man, with open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of the end; that before 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag would no longer be a free people.

But white Massachusetts officials told him he could not deliver such a speech and offered to write him another. Instead, James declined to speak, and on Thanksgiving Day hundreds of Indians from around the country came to protest. It was the first National Day of Mourning, a day to mark the losses Native Americans suffered as the early settlers prospered. This true story of "Thanksgiving" is what whites did not want Mr. James to tell.

What Really Happened in Plymouth in 1621?

According to a single-paragraph account in the writings of one Pilgrim, a harvest feast did take place in Plymouth in 1621, probably in mid-October, but the Indians who attended were not even invited. Though it later became known as "Thanksgiving," the Pilgrims never called it that. And amidst the imagery of a picnic of interracial harmony is some of the most terrifying bloodshed in New World history.

The Pilgrim crop had failed miserably that year, but the agricultural expertise of the Indians had produced twenty acres of corn, without which the Pilgrims would have surely perished. The Indians often brought food to the Pilgrims, who came from England ridiculously unprepared to survive and hence relied almost exclusively on handouts from the overly generous Indians-thus making the Pilgrims the western hemisphere's first class of welfare recipients. The Pilgrims invited the Indian sachem Massasoit to their feast, and it was Massasoit, engaging in the tribal tradition of equal sharing, who then invited ninety or more of his Indian brothers and sisters-to the annoyance of the 50 or so ungrateful Europeans. No turkey, cranberry sauce or pumpkin pie was served; they likely ate duck or geese and the venison from the 5 deer brought by Massasoit. In fact, most, if notall, of the food was most likely brought and prepared by the Indians, whose 10,000-year familiarity with the cuisine of the region had kept the whites alive up to that point.

The Pilgrims wore no black hats or buckled shoes-these were the silly inventions of artists hundreds of years since that time. These lower-class Englishmen wore brightly colored clothing, with one of their church leaders recording among his possessions "1 paire of greene drawers." Contrary to the fabricated lore of storytellers generations since, no Pilgrims prayed at the meal, and the supposed good cheer and fellowship must have dissipated quickly once the Pilgrims brandished their weaponry in a primitive display of intimidation. What's more, the Pilgrims consumed a good deal of home brew. In fact, each Pilgrim drank at least a half gallon of beer a day, which they preferred even to water. This daily inebriation led their governor, William Bradford, to comment on his people's "notorious sin," which included their "drunkenness and uncleanliness" and rampant "sodomy"...

The Pilgrims of Plymouth, The Original Scalpers

Contrary to popular mythology the Pilgrims were no friends to the local Indians. They were engaged in a ruthless war of extermination against their hosts, even as they falsely posed as friends. Just days before the alleged Thanksgiving love-fest, a company of Pilgrims led by Myles Standish actively sought to chop off the head of a local chief. They deliberately caused a rivalry between two friendly Indians, pitting one against the other in an attempt to obtain "better intelligence and make them both more diligent." An 11-foot-high wall was erected around the entire settlement for the purpose of keeping the Indians out.

Any Indian who came within the vicinity of the Pilgrim settlement was subject to robbery, enslavement, or even murder. The Pilgrims further advertised their evil intentions and white racial hostility, when they mounted five cannons on a hill around their settlement, constructed a platform for artillery, and then organized their soldiers into four companies-all in preparation for the military destruction of their friends the Indians.

Pilgrim Myles Standish eventually got his bloody prize. He went to the Indians, pretended to be a trader, then beheaded an Indian man named Wituwamat. He brought the head to Plymouth, where it was displayed on a wooden spike for many years, according to Gary B. Nash, "as a symbol of white power." Standish had the Indian man's young brother hanged from the rafters for good measure. From that time on, the whites were known to the Indians of Massachusetts by the name "Wotowquenange," which in their tongue meant cutthroats and stabbers.

Who Were the "Savages"?

The myth of the fierce, ruthless Indian savage lusting after the blood of innocent Europeans must be vigorously dispelled at this point. In actuality, the historical record shows that the very opposite was true.

Once the European settlements stabilized, the whites turned on their hosts in a brutal way. The once amicable relationship was breeched again and again by the whites, who lusted over the riches of Indian land. A combination of the Pilgrims' demonization of the Indians, the concocted mythology of Eurocentric historians, and standard Hollywood propaganda has served to paint the gentle Indian as a tomahawk-swinging savage endlessly on the warpath, lusting for the blood of the God-fearing whites.

But the Pilgrims' own testimony obliterates that fallacy.
The Indians engaged each other in military contests from time to time, but the causes of "war," the methods, and the resulting damage differed profoundly from the European variety:

o Indian "wars" were largely symbolic and were about honor, not about territory or extermination.

o "Wars" were fought as domestic correction for a specific act and were ended when correction was achieved. Such action might better be described as internal policing. The conquest or destruction of whole territories was a European concept.

o Indian "wars" were often engaged in by family groups, not by whole tribal groups, and would involve only the family members.

o A lengthy negotiation was engaged in between the aggrieved parties before escalation to physical confrontation would be sanctioned. Surprise attacks were unknown to the Indians.

o It was regarded as evidence of bravery for a man to go into "battle" carrying no weapon that would do any harm at a distance-not even bows and arrows. The bravest act in war in some Indian cultures was to touch their adversary and escape before he could do physical harm.

o The targeting of non-combatants like women, children, and the elderly was never contemplated. Indians expressed shock and repugnance when the Europeans told, and then showed, them that they considered women and children fair game in their style of warfare.

o A major Indian "war" might end with less than a dozen casualties on both sides. Often, when the arrows had been expended the "war" would be halted. The European practice of wiping out whole nations in bloody massacres was incomprehensible to the Indian.

According to one scholar, "The most notable feature of Indian warfare was its relative innocuity." European observers of Indian wars often expressed surprise at how little harm they actually inflicted. "Their wars are far less bloody and devouring than the cruel wars of Europe," commented settler Roger Williams in 1643. Even Puritan warmonger and professional soldier Capt. John Mason scoffed at Indian warfare: "[Their] feeble manner...did hardly deserve the name of fighting." Fellow warmonger John Underhill spoke of the Narragansetts, after having spent a day "burning and spoiling" their country: "no Indians would come near us, but run from us, as the deer from the dogs." He concluded that the Indians might fight seven years and not kill seven men. Their fighting style, he wrote, "is more for pastime, than to conquer and subdue enemies.

All this describes a people for whom war is a deeply regrettable last resort. An agrarian people, the American Indians had devised a civilization that provided dozens of options all designed to avoid conflict--the very opposite of Europeans, for whom all-out war, a ferocious bloodlust, and systematic genocide are their apparent life force. Thomas Jefferson--who himself advocated the physical extermination of the American Indian--said of Europe, "They [Europeans] are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of labor, property and lives of their people.

Puritan Holocaust

By the mid 1630s, a new group of 700 even holier Europeans calling themselves Puritans had arrived on 11 ships and settled in Boston-which only served to accelerate the brutality against the Indians.

In one incident around 1637, a force of whites trapped some seven hundred Pequot Indians, mostly women, children, and the elderly, near the mouth of the Mystic River. Englishman John Mason attacked the Indian camp with "fire, sword, blunderbuss, and tomahawk.
" Only a handful escaped and few prisoners were taken-to the apparent delight of the Europeans:

To see them frying in the fire, and the streams of their blood quenching the same, and the stench was horrible; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave praise thereof to God.

This event marked the first actual Thanksgiving. In just 10 years 12,000 whites had invaded New England, and as their numbers grew they pressed for all-out extermination of the Indian. Euro-diseases had reduced the population of the Massachusett nation from over 24,000 to less than 750; meanwhile, the number of European settlers in Massachusetts rose to more than 20,000 by 1646.

By 1675, the Massachusetts Englishmen were in a full-scale war with the great Indian chief of the Wampanoags, Metacomet. Renamed "King Philip" by the white man, Metacomet watched the steady erosion of the lifestyle and culture of his people as European-imposed laws and values engulfed them.

In 1671, the white man had ordered Metacomet to come to Plymouth to enforce upon him a new treaty, which included the humiliating rule that he could no longer sell his own land without prior approval from whites. They also demanded that he turn in his community's firearms. Marked for extermination by the merciless power of a distant king and his ruthless subjects, Metacomet retaliated in 1675 with raids on several isolated frontier towns. Eventually, the Indians attacked 52 of the 90 New England towns, destroying 13 of them. The Englishmen ultimately regrouped, and after much bloodletting defeated the great Indian nation, just half a century after their arrival on Massachusetts soil.
Historian Douglas Edward Leach describes the bitter end:

The ruthless executions, the cruel sentences...were all aimed at the same goal-unchallengeable white supremacy in southern New England. That the program succeeded is convincingly demonstrated by the almost complete docility of the local native ever since.

When Captain Benjamin Church tracked down and murdered Metacomet in 1676, his body was quartered and parts were "left for the wolves." The great Indian chief's hands were cut off and sent to Boston and his head went to Plymouth, where it was set upon a pole on the real first "day of public Thanksgiving for the beginning of revenge upon the enemy." Metacomet's nine-year-old son was destined for execution because, the whites reasoned, the offspring of the devil must pay for the sins of their father. The child was instead shipped to the Caribbean to spend his life in slavery.

As the Holocaust continued, several official Thanksgiving Days were proclaimed. Governor Joseph Dudley declared in 1704 a "General Thanksgiving"-not in celebration of the brotherhood of man-but for [God's] infinite Goodness to extend His Favors...In defeating and disappointing... the Expeditions of the Enemy [Indians] against us, And the good Success given us against them, by delivering so many of them into our hands...

Just two years later one could reap a ££50 reward in Massachusetts for the scalp of an Indian-demonstrating that the practice of scalping was a European tradition. According to one scholar, "Hunting redskins became...a popular sport in New England, especially since prisoners were worth good money..."

Before anyone starts looking for rope to string me up with, let me say that I don't want thanksgiving outlawed. This holiday is now a time to spend with family and loved ones and that is important, but so is telling the truth.

When you are gathered at that table laden with food...with family and friends gathered around it...look at that turkey...all the food...the drink...and get a mental picture of what really happened back then...then say your prayers.

Bon Appetite.

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Thanksgiving: The Truth

Most of us associate the Thanksgiving holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen - once.
The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out the Natives who had escaped.
In 1620, when some separatists from the Church of England (now called Pilgrims) arrived in Massachusetts Bay, they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery...first in Spain and then in England where he learned the English language. Squanto was originally from the village of Patuxet and a member of the Pokanokit Wampanoag Nation. Patuxet once stood on the exact site where the Pilgrims built Plymouth. The wheat the Pilgrims had brought with them to plant would not grow in the rocky soil...they needed to learn new ways for a new world. Squanto taught them to grow corn, to hunt and to fish. He also negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.
But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots (Puritans) began arriving by the boat load...their mentality did not tolerate differing political, social and religious beliefs. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. With a Bible in their hands to justify their every move, the Puritans began their march inland from the seaside communities. Joined by other settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest.
The Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought. In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which was one of their Thanksgiving celebrations. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death, while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared 'A Day Of Thanksgiving' because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.
Cheered by their 'victory,' the brave colonists attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible. Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, another day of 'thanksgiving' was announced to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls.
Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained on display for all to see.
The killings became more and more frenzied, with a 'thanksgiving feast' being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside, instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Years later, during the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday -- he did this on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.
This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy feelings associated with it as the one where the Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together at the big feast. But we need to learn our true history so it won't ever be repeated.
Why does the truh have to be so damn long?
If I wanted to read that much, I'd still be in school.
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As with most of history, it gets written by the victors, often in ways that sanitize it. It is also true that in a lot of cases what we see is not a single event, but a whole lot of them rolled into a new tradition.

The Pilgrims and some of the other groups who came to North America from Europe, had religious traditions of holding days of thanksgiving. Some were feasts, but the main idea was to think about what you had and be thankful to god for it. This muddies the water a whole lot.

Even if you limit yourself to ONLY the "thanksgiving" tradition that came out of the stories from Massachusetts Bay at Plymouth, you still get a lot of different versions of the story...and none of them line up with the lovely variation taught to kids in school in the 20th and 21st century.

It is most definite that Miles Standish was not the nice guy and wonderful leader he is portrayed as being. It is also pretty definite that the pilgrims had ongoing problems with the various native tribes. Some peoples they got along with (a least some) but some other tribal groups actively raided their encampments, which is why they eventually put up a big wooden wall around the place.


A few years ago, I read a rather different version of the interactions between the local native people and the Pilgrims (with Squanto translating for them). It certainly was not one of cooperation, with local people teaching the Pilgrims how to survive (and them actually LISTENING) with a nice feast at then end.

*** PREQUEL - the sea voyage ***

It was my understanding that the Pilgrims started out with more than one ship, and far more supplies, than they had by the end of their trip. However several of the sailors had become discontent with the agreement to go on such a long voyage and wanted out of the 2 year contracts they had agreed to. To make this happen, these sailors took to sabotaging the ships, so that they leaked. Nobody could figure out why such good ships were springing so many leaks, and eventually sabotage was suspected. All that water getting into the ships caused serious trouble, and more and more supplies were ruined over time.

This eventually called for desperate actions. This group of people had put all they had on the line, and were about to lose it all without setting foot at their desired location. So they had to stop and get the help of professional shipwrights. However the damage had been already been done and only one ship (the Mayflower) was still seaworthy. Worse yet, so much water had leaked into the holds of the ships during the sabotage efforts, that most of what they had bought (to be able to survive in the new land) was gone. Much of their supplies were ruined. That included a lot of their food, and seeds for planting.

With only one ship left, they were packed in very tightly into the ships hold. This made conditions ripe for disease and they got it in spades. There was so much sickness on board that at one point every one of the pilgrims down in the hold, was being cared for by only ONE slightly less sick person. Eventually they managed to get to "Plymouth"... and from here on out there seems to be many different accounts.


This is what I recall having read a few years back. It is certainly not the only variation on the theme (some of which are far worse & involve Miles Standish going hunting for the head of a local Chief). The truth is that most of the information comes from multiple sources, all of which were written at least 2 decades later. That allows for faulty memory, and a story that changed from person to person (not first hand accounts), as well as a desire to clean up the downright nastiness that some of the other European authorities said the pilgrims had been up to.

---- onward ---

Regardless, when the pilgrims finally got to North America, they were in very bad shape. They were extremely hungry, desperate, and had run way too sort on supplies. Things did not look good. Many were still sick. A few people went out in a party to look around the area. They wandered around to investigate and they found a native village.

What they did not know is white people were not unknown to the local tribes. In fact various groups of Europeans had given the local peoples a number of "gifts" which included "Smallpox" and depending on the area you were in, the local tribal populations had dropped by up to 90% in about 5 years.

Many accounts exist of European people who came to North America to settle it, who were amazed that the entire area looked to them like a big park, with well manicured fields ready for planting. There was a reason for that. They used to have people living in them.

There are accounts of EARLY expeditions to the west coast of North America that said the coast was so well populated that the smoke from the fires in the villages drifted out over the water for several miles.

Anyway the local tribe had a number of problems with slavers. A European slave trader named Captain Hunt.. and his crew of slavers, had been their introduction to white people, and the only other ones they had ever seen.

The native people in that village saw the Pilgrims first, and given their issues with Hunt, they promptly fled their homes. They had learned about "guns" and the violence of the slavers the hard way. That sort of thing did not leave them in a trusting mood...and not being idiots they hid in the woods.

The pilgrims arrived in an empty village. The homes were empty, and the Pilgrims came in and poked about, looking for people. It was obvious to them the place was normally occupied. Everything looked as if the people had been there one moment, and all just left in the middle of their tasks. They had left.

Due to their extreme hunger, and the fact that they saw food in the village, the pilgrims took food from some of the dwellings and brought it back to the ship. They (supposedly) were not happy about just stealing, and wanted to do something later to pay them back.

*** SQUANTO ***

A while after this they had an amazing stroke of luck. Squanto found them. After so many years spent working his way back to a home in a village that no longer existed (due to all those lovely new plagues from European sailors and slavers) Squanto had nothing left to show for his troubles in Europe... except for an understanding that many whites were bad people. He also had a command of the English language. This let him speak to the Pilgrims, who were very surprised that there was a native person who could speak their language.

Now here we have a guy who had every reason ton not trust white people. He had been taken back to Europe as a "ambassador" (more of a curiosity) and then sold into slavery...and he still tried to help these people out.

This was amazing luck. The only English speaking native person on the entire continent, was where THEY were...and was willing to try and help them so they would not all die. He helped them talk to the local people. That is how they were told what types of houses to build to keep out the extreme cold of winter, and how to plant crops so hat they would thrive in the area. After all, most of the people (about 90% of them) had died of European diseases. It wasn't as if there was no room in the area.

So how did the Pilgrims react to that help from Squanto and the local peoples? They ignored it all.

Being "white European Christians" the knew inside that everything they did would work out far better than the people who managed to live in the place for so long. So (the idiots) went about doing everything their own way (because they 'knew better' - ha). They tried to build in the "English Fashion" in a place where the winters were too cold for that (and they had been warned not to do that). They planted their crops the way they did in England (where the soil was very different - and they had been told that would not work).

So their homes were too cold and they had almost no food (because of course their crops did poorly) and a large number of the remaining Pilgrims died that winter (of exposure and starvation... which was caused by being too stubborn to listen).

The next spring there were a lot less Pilgrims left. They went to the local tribe (who still did not completely trust them) but the tribes people looked at them all starving and they took pity on them and gave them grain out of their "safety supplies"... the grain they kept aside in case of very bad years, and to have something to plant next time if the crops did poorly.

As they did this they explained (whit the help of Squanto) that that this was a one time offer. They could not do this again without causing all their own people to starve. They told the Pilgrims that they MUST take the advice they had been given and change their methods if they wanted not to die. They had to plant and build in the ways that would keep them alive. This is as close to an actual "feast of thanksgiving" that the actual first wave of Pilgrims had. They did sit down with the local people and eat, and they were grateful not to be dead and gave thanks to their god.

So as spring moved in and the land warmed and it was time to plant...the pilgrims utterly ignored (again) all the advice they had and did EXACTLY the same things they had done the spring before - things which had doomed them to starvation and freezing and dying. They would not take the advice of the local people (but would take their food). So of course there was a second winter of freezing to death, and disease and starvation.

The few remaining Pilgrims who survived this, went to the native people and asked for help again. However the local people could not give them any more help. They said they were sorry, but there was nothing to give, and they had warned them not to do things that way. After all they had already given them all the could possibly spare the year before and had not had time to replace it. They had given them strong warning and instruction, and that coupled with the winter of starvation and freezing OUGHT to have been enough to convince anybody.

So the Puritans went back home, and then came back later and raided the local village and stole their food (leaving the survivors of the raid to have their OWN starvation issues the next year).

After the successful raid they then held a feast of thanksgiving to God - like the ones that were a normal part of their society - but without any native people there as happy guests.
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