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May 14, 2008, 11:46PM
U.S.-trained forces reportedly helping Mexican cartels

By STEWART M. POWELL
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON — As many as 200 U.S.-trained Mexican security personnel have defected to drug cartels to carry out killings on both sides of the border and as far north as Dallas, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Humble, told Congress on Wednesday.

The renegade members of Mexico's elite counter-narcotics teams trained at Fort Benning, Ga., have switched sides, contributing to a wave of violence that has claimed some 6,000 victims over the past 30 months, including prominent law enforcement leaders, the Houston-area Republican told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

The slaughter has gained urgency amid high-profile assassinations of law officers in Mexico since May 1, claiming six senior officers, five of them with the federal police.

Poe held aloft a dramatic, poster-board-size photograph that he said showed guerrilla-style commandos crossing into the United States.

He said the Department of Homeland Security had documented "over 250 incursions by suspected military forces" into the United States over the past decade.

"I was surprised to hear that the United States has trained Mexican forces and some of those have deserted and become the reason for these attacks," Poe said.


Officers 'switched sides'

The U.S.-trained Mexican security personnel have "switched sides and became assassins and recruiters for the Mexican drug cartels."

Poe, a former prosecutor and criminal court judge, issued the allegations in an unsuccessful effort to persuade the House Foreign Affairs Committee to revamp President Bush's Merida Initiative.

Bush's blueprint calls for $1.4 billion in training, equipment and law enforcement assistance to Mexico and Central America over three years.

Bush also is seeking $500 million in emergency assistance for Mexico this year as part of the supplemental war spending measure.

Democrats have included only $400 million of Bush's request in the $161 billion war spending measure.

Poe tried to require the Bush administration to evenly split spending between the United States and Mexico rather than sending the entire amount south of the border.

"It seems as though the United States has a history in some cases of giving support (to Mexico) and that support turns around and is used against the very people we're trying to protect, in this case, us," Poe said. "We have no assurance that the equipment we're sending to Mexico won't be turned over to the drug cartels and used against us."


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Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Austin, also tried to persuade the Democratic-controlled panel to shift part of the Mexico-bound spending to the United States to bolster law enforcement efforts on the border.

McCaul, a former federal prosecutor who specialized in counter-terrorism, called border drug violence "an imminent security threat right on our doorstep" that deserves the same effort as the war on terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 50-member panel, led by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., largely endorsed the Bush administration's version of the proposal, expanding assistance beyond Mexico and Central America to include the Caribbean nations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

Berman referred Poe's and McCaul's proposed changes to the House Judiciary Committee, saying their plans for greater spending by U.S. law enforcement along the border fell within that panel's jurisdiction.

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Interesting, I hadn't heard of that. Since those were allegations, do you know if they have been officially confirmed, or reported by law enforcment agency, on either side of the US-MX border?

Although there is no need for any volontary connection between US agencies and Mexican drug cartels in order to produce that result (trained security personnel switching sides), one would expect that people working on that "war on drugs", supposedly the best and the brightest, would've anticipated such predictable outcomes and found ways to counter them.
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What do you mean?
Simple. He's a crack baby. That's why he tells people to eat penis's.
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It's kind of a serious thread (yes, such threads exist on SC), so I'd prefer that you don't bring that sort of comments in it.

Eventually, try watching the videos and/or read some of the stuff that's referenced. It's good stuff.


Another video from Ruppert (extremely smart guy btw):



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Close the borders. Supply is cut off. Win.
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Supply won't be cut off. It'll find another way to come in, unless you suggest making the USA a huge reservation, with prison-like walls all around its 7,500 miles of border and 12,300 miles of coasts with no possibility of physical communication with the outside world.

Check out Rand corporation's report Controlling Cocaine. Supply versus Demand Programs

You could also check this discussion we had some time ago. It mentions the report.


But anyway, this thread is more about the US govt's involvment in the traffic than about which policies would be the most effective. I advise you take the time to watch some of the documentaries that mentionned. It's good material, especially the first one.
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Close the borders. Supply is cut off. Win.
Borders are a stupid idea and a waste of money...smugglers can dig underneath them, climb or fly over them, swim or float around them...

I say we pressure the elected leaders of this country to legalize and/or decriminalize drugs instead of using them as an excuse to make the U.S. a police state
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Supply won't be cut off. It'll find another way to come in, unless you suggest making the USA a huge reservation, with prison-like walls all around its 7,500 miles of border and 12,300 miles of coasts with no possibility of physical communication with the outside world.

Check out Rand corporation's report Controlling Cocaine. Supply versus Demand Programs

You could also check this discussion we had some time ago. It mentions the report.


But anyway, this thread is more about the US govt's involvment in the traffic than about which policies would be the most effective. I advise you take the time to watch some of the documentaries that mentionned. It's good material, especially the first one.

Who gives a shit if it will find another way in, that doesn't mean we should just allow it to come in by opening up the borders. "Sure, you can come on my property and sell drugs". Uhh, HELL NO.


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I say we pressure the elected leaders of this country to legalize and/or decriminalize drugs instead of using them as an excuse to make the U.S. a police state
Go ahead if they can dig, fly, clumb over the fence. It's not meant to completely stop but more to decrease the flow of third world filth coming through our borders. We know the decriminilization of drugs will not happen any time in our life time. I see Marijuana, if even that, becoming legal.
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Who gives a shit if it will find another way in
Logically, you would, since you call for cutting off supply.


Please try to remain on topic. As I said, this is about government involvment in the drug trade.
If you have no knowledge on the issue, I suggest watching the documentaries and/or reading the books and papers that are referenced here.
If you ind this subject uninteresting, I see no reason to keep posting in his thread.
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Logically, you would, since you call for cutting off supply.
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First he cares about cutting off the supply, then he doesn't.
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Cutting it off completely is not the point I was trying to make. That would be impossible, as I've stated.
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In the other specific post, I explained more in depth that one could NOT completely cut the flow of drugs enter the United States - BUT could severely restrict it hence less drugs getting into the U.S. and therefore, less crime.
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I tried watching the google links you provided but I can't see the video player to pause or play the video because I'm on a sucky old iMac

but luckily I found it on youtube

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read "Behold a Pale Horse" ; and Ricky "freeway" Ross named the CIA as his supplier of cocaine.
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^ I haven't read that book but I heard B-Real mention that in Pyscho Realm's first debut album if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know if this has been posted yet in this thread but it's related to the Dark Alliance articles by Gary Webb. It's a book titled The Squad: The U.S. Governmet's Secret Alliance with Organized Crime by Michael Milan. I also saw a variation of the title called The Squad: The Shocking True Story of J. Edgar Hoover's Private Hit Team-And the U.S. Government's Secret Alliance With Organized Crime! by Michael Milan. Here are some links to read more about this book:

http://www.amazon.ca/Squad-Shocking-.../dp/0425133621

http://books.google.com/books?id=EzR...esult&resnum=4

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/Critica...The_Squad.html

http://openlibrary.org/a/OL1004214A

http://www.librarything.com/author/milanmichael

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lenn...et/Chapman.htm

https://gigcat.midhudson.org:446/sea...,-1,0,B/browse

http://www.bookfinder.com/author/michael-milan/

http://www.alibris.com/search/books/...Government%20S
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The Squad: The U.S. Governmet's Secret Alliance with Organized Crime by Michael Milan
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http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/Critica...The_Squad.html
Never heard of this book. Did you read it?

Apparently, the only review that I've found, which is the one posted here, has this to say about it:

"Should we believe this juicy story? We cannot, because Milan offers not one shred of evidence for his tale. We can do nothing but write it off as an exercise in pulling together a few loose strands into a crime fiction story, period, yet another variant in the seemingly endless line of washed-up conspiracy theories that have been with us for nearly four decades but have not progressed any closer to a “solution.” Somebody out there used an overactive imagination with this one, throwing in a bit of Elliot Ness for jollies. We can them some points for creativity, but that’s all."


I've read bits of the introduction. How is it related to Gary Webb's work?
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