Loose Change 2nd Edition

[Ralo El Dorado]

^ If you go to Miguelitos thread, I posted youtube vidoes of "Truth and Lies of 9/11" and I'm watching 5 videos per day. So far it's been very impressive, heavy duty and look forward to watching all the rest of the movies Miguelito recommended soon as I track them down on youtube and post them up here or in Miguelitos thread.

[TLALOC]

Saw this movie a while back, people also need to look into the Bilderberg group, and Gerogia guide stones...

[Ralo El Dorado]

^ you got metacafe, google vidoe, youtube, etc. links to watch them?

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by Ralo El Dorado

^ you got metacafe, google vidoe, youtube, etc. links to watch them?

GEORGIA GUIDE STONES
http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm


BUILDERBERG GROUP
PART ONE OF SIX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moX9B...eature=related
ANOTHER LINK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXqj9epGEas

ALSO LOOK INTO THE ILLUMINATI
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...LLUMINATI&aq=f


IF YOU GOT TIME TO READ, A GOOD BOOK FOR A BASIC BREAK DOWN OF WHAT THESE GRPUPS ARE DING IN A WHOLE AND HOW THEY USE MEDIA AND EDUCATION TO GET WHAT THEY DESIRE, READ "BEHOLD A PALE HORSE"
AND TO BE A STEP AHEAD TODAY IM GOING TO BORDERS TO LOOK INTO BOOKS FULCANELLI/MASTER ALCHEMIST, SOME HOW ALCHERYTHMS TIE INTO MAYAN 2012 PREDICTIONS AND THE BIBLE, DONT KNOW HOW YET BUT IM GOING TO LOOK INTO IT. APPEARENTLY THE TOP PEOPLE IN CHARGE KNOW THESE SECRETS OF ALCHERYTHMS AND THATS HOW THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STARS PATTERNS MEAN AND HOW THE AFFECT OUR PLANET.

[FreedomNow]

Ummm... I just read the most recent article written by Joshua holland on alternet.com.

It's called 3 good reasons and one bad one why I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

It's worth reading for folks who r so entrenched in these types of films.

I think the main thesis is very important to think about.

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by FreedomNow

Ummm... I just read the most recent article written by Joshua holland on alternet.com.

It's called 3 good reasons and one bad one why I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

It's worth reading for folks who r so entrenched in these types of films.

I think the main thesis is very important to think about.

I DONT GET INVOLVED IN CONSPIRACY "THEORIES" BUT WHEN IT INVOLVES FACTS IT IS WORTH LOOKING INTO, AND WHEN THERE ARE DECORATED SCOLARS DOING THEIR BEST TO DEBUNK THESE SO CALLED CONSPURACIES IT MAKES ONE WONDER IF THEY KNOW IT NOT TO BE TRUTH WHY WASTE THE TIME OF DEBUNKING IT.

LIKE IN THE 9/11 VIDEO, YOU HAVE FIREMEN SAYING THEY SMELL THERMITE A CHEMICAL USED IN EXPLOSIVES, MAKES YOU WONDER, OR HOW THE TEMP THAT JET FUEL REACHES ISNT HIGH ENOUGH TO MELT MEDAL, YET THE MEDAL WAS MELTED AGIAIN RED FLAG, OR WHEN THEY SAY A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGONE, YET NO EVIDENCE OR VIDEO FUTAGE OF A PLANE HITTING THE PENTAGON, OR EVEN HOW THEY SAID FLIGHT 93 CRASHED IN TO THE EARTH YET LEFT NO TRACE OF BODIES OR A PLANE, MAKES ANYONE WITH A BRAIN SAY HMMMM, LET ME LOOK INTO IT FOR MYSELF.

[FreedomNow]

That's one of the positions that this particular author is critiquing.

I would post the article but I can't link shit up right now.


U could google it and read it for urself

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by FreedomNow

That's one of the positions that this particular author is critiquing.

I would post the article but I can't link shit up right now.


U could google it and read it for urself

I'LL LOOK IT UP.

[FreedomNow]

Can u not type in caps, please?

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by FreedomNow

Can u not type in caps, please?

Whats wrong with typing in caps?

and he contradicts himself

"The key to maintaining one's belief in farfetched theories is the ability to ignore any claims that contradict one's preferred narrative out of hand and paint any individual or organization that advances those claims as being in on the conspiracy."

he at the same time is ignoring the facts, on the subject of eyewhitness accounts he says ", but it's well known that eyewitness testimony during a traumatic event and stories rushed to press in the heat of a huge breaking story are unreliable and often conflicting."
but in the videos there are multiple firefighters and police saying they smelled thermite and heard sounds of explosions.

so he can claim he aint in on it fine, but he said he went in with open eyes and open mind, when he went in with the attitude of debunking. See thermite has a very significant smell, and to fire fighters they know there chemicals and smell they study these in training. plus what about larry silverstein saying to "pull it" )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZRnyAIMFWo)a term used by demolition experts when imploding a building, and not to mention he took out a few billion dollar insurance pollicy on the building just weeks prior to this happening, bro you can argue or view things any way you want, but facts are facts.

[FreedomNow]

There is a hyperlink within the article that argues against that thermite argument.

Glad u read it, tla.


I agree with his thesis that what these theories about murky, hegemonic groups that run the world and that everything we see (as in institutions etc) are just puppets does a disservice in folks who work to expose how fucked up govts and global institutions are and the history behind some of their most heinous acts.

I agree with that.

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by FreedomNow

There is a hyperlink within the article that argues against that thermite argument.

Glad u read it, tla.


I agree with his thesis that what these theories about murky, hegemonic groups that run the world and that everything we see (as in institutions etc) are just puppets does a disservice in folks who work to expose how fucked up govts and global institutions are and the history behind some of their most heinous acts.

I agree with that.

Thats a complex statement, on one hand he is saying its a "disservice" but at the same time he is doing a disservice by saying its strictly government. Di you ever see George Bush Jr. getting Knighted by the queen of England? I saw it on T.V. a few years back, I think right before (or in the begining) of his second term. Now I search online and cant find anything about it. People say it wasnt him but his father, i know his father was too, but I saw with my own eyes, George W. Bush getting knighted by the queen, now my point is why would the leader of this country bow down to the queen of england? makes one think, and to be a little on the crazy side with this one, the Bible predicts that the anticrist will speak all tongues and hold global power, sound familiar? (THE U.N) I do alot of reading and shit so I try to saty well rounded with all subjects; Bible, Astrology (Mayan Calander) politics, world news etc...and shit just fits, maybe not obviously but when you dig you see the string that hold alot of things together, if im rambling and changning the subject a lil sorry I just like these topic and Im trying to open more eyes to the truth that there is a reaason all this shit is in shit right now, its been planned, from our education to our health, all planned.

[FreedomNow]

I don't agree with u. I have agency and power to be. I don't believe that my life is planned.

That simple and anti-foucaldian statement is what I tend to live by. I definitely know that we live in structures and systems that strive I maintain and reinforce themselves but I also beleive that I can create my space of freedom, and attempt to help others build their own. Or at least help guide others to being exposed tothat. I believe that these theories can lead folks to believe that they r powerless in the face of these shadowy and non tangible entities that u and others describe.

[TLALOC]

Originally Posted by FreedomNow

I don't agree with u. I have agency and power to be. I don't believe that my life is planned.

That simple and anti-foucaldian statement is what I tend to live by. I definitely know that we live in structures and systems that strive I maintain and reinforce themselves but I also beleive that I can create my space of freedom, and attempt to help others build their own. Or at least help guide others to being exposed tothat. I believe that these theories can lead folks to believe that they r powerless in the face of these shadowy and non tangible entities that u and others describe.

Im not saying your life is planned, Im saying the enviroment you live in was planned to be the way it is, theres a reason education in the ghetto is pathetic to say the least, theres a reason guns flood every ghetto, there's a reason they're liquor stores on every block in the hood. You make you own path in life, I agree, but the road you travel is filled with stratigically placed obsticals.

[Dissonant]

I wonder how much money has been made off of the 9-11 truth movement.....

[FreedomNow]

mad money, son. mad money.

[Dissonant]

Cool, with all this mad money some political action can take place.

[Yasmina]

At times...it feels like when you're being bombarded with so much information, and the more you gain knowledge on something, the more disinterested you get.

[FreedomNow]

I'm pretty sure they have their own truth commission on the issue.

But yeah that loot should be used for productive political action.

I really do like that the truth movement has opened up dialogue about 9/11 and the us's foreign policy practices.

[El Hijo Perdido]

Originally Posted by Xican01

its been a while since i've posted but i think this is extremely important. check out this video and spread the word...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...nge&pr=goog-sl

mexica tiahui

I got the DVD but did they come out with an updated version??? your right the word does need to be spread especially now!!!

I'd also recommend invisible empire, capitalism a love story, sicko, Fahrenheit 9/11, Fall of the Republic,( hell even the Zeitgeist movie talks about 9/11 among other things)

EHP

[ChicanoParty]

I just watched this loose change, its really good , but theres a discrepancy i have with the movie, because i watched the news that day and recall the plane that hit the pentagon was in question and the motor to the plane was not the same size as the outline that hit the building that showed a burn mark and the motor was hurried and removed , then later the remark came out , i believe from cheney or someone like rumsfeld , saying it came from a certain type of aircraft of a certain brand, and that engineer came on the news withing an hour and said it was nothing they had or ever made and he was there from day one with the company on these type of air craft.

if anyone really wants to check out good documentaries go to netflix.com if you have x box live , you will be amazed at the menu.