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I don't even know what to say, so much information.

I've always wondered what tribe/s my family decended from. If I had to guess, I would say Mayan (my mother's family is from Guerrero) and maybe Guamares or Pames (father's side is from Guanajuato)?
Central and Northern Pame have Nahuatl-speaking populations. The Maya are generally located much further south and east in the Yucatan peninsula, including in Belize. Guerrero has numerous indigenous languages, including Nahuatl, Mixtec, Amuzgo, and Tlapanec.

See these maps for starters (they do not account for all native groups)

KEY TO THE LANGUAGE MAPS BELOW
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_map.asp?name=MX

MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-ETH.jpg

WEST CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-WC-ETH.jpg

EASTERN CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-EC-ETH.jpg

SOUTHERN CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEXSC-ET.jpg
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_map.asp?name=MX&seq=50

MEXICAN POPULATIONS WITH GREATER THAN 9,000 NAHUATL-SPEAKING PEOPLES IN VARIOUS FEDERAL ENTITIES
http://nahuatl.info/images/Nahuatl_speaking_map.jpg
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I don't even know what to say, so much information.

I've always wondered what tribe/s my family decended from. If I had to guess, I would say Mayan (my mother's family is from Guerrero) and maybe Guamares or Pames (father's side is from Guanajuato)?
Central and Northern Pame have Nahuatl-speaking populations. The Maya are generally located much further south and east in the Yucatan peninsula, including in Belize. Guerrero has numerous indigenous languages, including Nahuatl, Mixtec, Amuzgo, and Tlapanec.

See these maps for starters (they do not account for all native groups)

KEY TO THE LANGUAGE MAPS BELOW
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_map.asp?name=MX

MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-ETH.jpg

WEST CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-WC-ETH.jpg

EASTERN CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEX-EC-ETH.jpg

SOUTHERN CENTRAL MEXICO
http://www.ethnologue.com/maps/MEXSC-ET.jpg
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_map.asp?name=MX&seq=50

MEXICAN POPULATIONS WITH GREATER THAN 9,000 NAHUATL-SPEAKING PEOPLES IN VARIOUS FEDERAL ENTITIES
http://nahuatl.info/images/Nahuatl_speaking_map.jpg
As you can see, I still have much to learn. Thanks for the links.
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For those who needs some questions answered, there's me and Citlalin. If I don't know, then I'll find someone who doesn't.

I still haven't communicated with anyone over there. Just been busy and lazy.
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^ Tec, I was at a pow wow over the weekend and some Indian told me that the Maya and I'm not sure if he said Cree or Creek, but he said they were the same people although they are thousands of miles away from each other. Is this true what he told me?
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^ Tec, I was at a pow wow over the weekend and some Indian told me that the Maya and I'm not sure if he said Cree or Creek, but he said they were the same people although they are thousands of miles away from each other. Is this true what he told me?
All nations from the American people are the same people.
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^ I know. But there's linguistic differences amongst First Nations. I'm just curious about what this NDN said about the Maya and Cree or Creek being linguistically similar. I'll look this up myself and if its true what he's saying I'll keep you all updated
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I wish i could trace my roots. It's sad when your own parents have no idea where they are from other then just "Mexico city" Gallegos is such a common last name it's almost impossible to find any background on it that relates to our family.
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Not true SHT, I would suggest getting or taking a look at their birth certificates as they should, especially if they are from Mexico possibly go back more than one generation on the certificates. Once that is done then you can go to your local Family History Center at the local Mormon church and see if they have film records from that church. Then you can rent the film and look at it at the center.

Then you will be on your way. Gallegos is also a common name in New Mexico as well as many others are. You can find things trust me on that one. Plus the people at the center a lot of times will be able to help you or point you in the right direction. Let me know how it goes if you decide to try it and if you have questions ask me and if I can help I will. EHP



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i have heard that the natives in Michigan and michoacan had almost the same dialets and that that is why those 2 states have a very similar name sound
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I don't want to downplay your efforts for the majority of the Mexicans. But from my point of view, genealogy in Mexico is not only difficult, but not well done.

My family tree spans the farthest to Ancient Egypt to a guy named Sequetepibre, which had two Nubian parents.

Now if you ask me from the Mexican side, is almost useless. In Mexico I only have data untill... you guessed it, the arrival of the Europeans.

I know for some people it is important to know what nation they come from. But genealogical data from other continents has no comparison with Mexican data. Since the burning of the Atzapotzalco and Texcoco genealogical libraries, our families, unless royal, can only reach to around 1530.

Another issue is that all families migrate. So there's a slight chance you'll never know for sure which "tribe" you come from.

Sorry for being the party pooper.
But I don't like disleading people into false or exaggerated hopes.

Only hope is that one has a connection to either colonial Spanish families, or local royals. Which by the way, mathematically, chances are, you might!
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^ I don't think the Church was in the business of preserving indigenous genealogical records when it was busy stamping out any traces of indigenous identity for the past 500+ years
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^ I don't think the Church was in the business of preserving indigenous genealogical records when it was busy stamping out any traces of indigenous identity for the past 500+ years
That's exactly what I think.

I agree, because of the Church dedication to destroy our genealogical records, genealogy in Mexico is doomed, as far as it was proposed earlier in the thread.
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That's exactly what I think.

I agree, because of the Church dedication to destroy our genealogical records, genealogy in Mexico is doomed, as far as it was proposed earlier in the thread.
You'll be surprised how much they kept records. Many Mexicans have found their roots there. If you read the other post in this thread, you would've learned that the Mormons now own most of those documents.
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You'll be surprised how much they kept records. Many Mexicans have found their roots there. If you read the other post in this thread, you would've learned that the Mormons now own most of those documents.
I know about it, my family is Mormon. What I say is that the few, few, data, is all messed up.
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Remember one thing about the Spaniards, they mixed with the Celtic people long before they came to the new world. This is why you see the genetic differences in them that you spoke of. So your going to see that kind of trait in different people whom are mixed with Spaniard. EHP
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^ I think it was a typo, he probably meant to type exploding the church
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I know my great grandmother was a Mexican Indian and that she was an herbalist healer. That's about it.
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I don't want to downplay your efforts for the majority of the Mexicans. But from my point of view, genealogy in Mexico is not only difficult, but not well done.

My family tree spans the farthest to Ancient Egypt to a guy named Sequetepibre, which had two Nubian parents.

Now if you ask me from the Mexican side, is almost useless. In Mexico I only have data untill... you guessed it, the arrival of the Europeans.

I know for some people it is important to know what nation they come from. But genealogical data from other continents has no comparison with Mexican data. Since the burning of the Atzapotzalco and Texcoco genealogical libraries, our families, unless royal, can only reach to around 1530.

Another issue is that all families migrate. So there's a slight chance you'll never know for sure which "tribe" you come from.

Sorry for being the party pooper.
But I don't like disleading people into false or exaggerated hopes.

Only hope is that one has a connection to either colonial Spanish families, or local royals. Which by the way, mathematically, chances are, you might!

Well that is where DNA testing may help a bit in giving some clues to you about your lineage. Really most of us are only able to trace back to a certain point and then after that it's not feasible to do so. So go back as far as you can and then from there it's sort of a done deal. I'd suggest studying the history after that it may yeild some more clues. But nothing specific to your family unless your related so some key historical figure. EHP
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2. Either go to the church that your ancestors went or if that's too far, go to the nearest Mormon church (I'm serious. The Mormon church has more documents of catholic churches in Mexico than the churches here in the US. They know more about us than we do about ourselves which is creepy.).
I had just brought this up to a distanced primo of mine & he said that the Mormon Church has compiled many genealogical documents from different parts of the world. I've tried to google this to find some questions or some theories as to why they would, but no luck yet.

@tecpa, I am too far away from my ancestors church (as it seems most of my family settled around the Huacasco area) would I be able to go to the nearest Catholic church (which some of my family has had marriages there before) and get some answers or should I go directly to a local Mormon church?

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You'll be surprised how much they kept records. Many Mexicans have found their roots there. If you read the other post in this thread, you would've learned that the Mormons now own most of those documents.
This is an awesome thread how about making it a sticky?
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I had just brought this up to a distanced primo of mine & he said that the Mormon Church has compiled many genealogical documents from different parts of the world. I've tried to google this to find some questions or some theories as to why they would, but no luck yet.
The reason why they did that is to figure out who is pure white & who is not. Long story on why but it's based on Book of Mormon.

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@tecpa, I am too far away from my ancestors church (as it seems most of my family settled around the Huacasco area) would I be able to go to the nearest Catholic church (which some of my family has had marriages there before) and get some answers or should I go directly to a local Mormon church?
The local Catholic church will only have local records & I don't think they would do it the old fashion way.

Also, depending how big their Family center in the Mormon is & where you live, they may or may not have Mexican documents in that church & what they have are slides that you need to look through with a projector.

So whether you should go or not is up to you.

For more information, I recommend you to read from these two posts:

This one is about how sometimes last names can tell you your roots:

http://www.soychicano.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9093

This one is about how to trace your indigenous roots in documents:

http://www.soychicano.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18775

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This is an awesome thread how about making it a sticky?
It's in the Genealogy section which has other posts that I think are as important as this one.
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so i did some research
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