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DENVER, CO.- A map painted by Mexican Indians in the mid-16th century has become a key document for understanding the migration of Mesoamerican peoples from their land of origin in what is now the U.S. Southwest, according to a scholar at Harvard University Divinity School.

"Five years of research and writing (2002-2007) by 15 scholars of Mesoamerican history show that this document, the Map of Cuauhtinchan 2, with more than 700 pictures in color, is something like a Mesoamerican Iliad and Odyssey," Dr. David Carrasco told Efe in a telephone interview.

"The map tells sacred stories and speaks of pilgrimages, wars, medicine, plants, marriages, rituals and heroes of the Cuauhtinchan community, which means Place of the Eagle's Nest (in the present-day Mexican state of Puebla)," he said.

The map, known as MC2, was painted on amate paper made from tree bark probably around 1540, just two decades after the Spanish conquest of Mexico.

Through images and pictographs, the map recounts the ancestral history of the Mesoamerican people of Chicomoztoc, meaning Place of the Seven Caves, followed by their migration to the sacred city of Cholula and the foundation of Cuauhtinchan, probably in 1174.

The document was apparently meant to resolve a dispute between the indigenous peoples and the conquistadors as to land ownership in Cuauhtinchan and surrounding areas, following the evangelizing process that began in 1527 and was intensified in 1530 with the building of the town's first convent, which seems to have entailed the dismantling of the Indian temple.

"The history begins in a sacred city under attack and continues with the people of Aztlan coming to the city's rescue. In compensation they are granted divine authority to travel long distances until they find their own city in the land promised them. Their travels are guided by priests, warriors and divinities," Carrasco said.

That sacred city and the original land of Aztlan would have been in what is today the Southwestern United States.

MC2 remained in Cuauhtinchan until 1933, the year it was sent to a regional museum and later came into the possession of an architect.

In 2001, philanthropist Espinosa Yglesias acquired the map and shortly afterwards contacted Harvard's Center of Latin American Studies to ask who could analyze the map. Harvard chose Carrasco.

The result of five years of interdisciplinary studies was the publication of the 479-page book "Cave, City, and Eagle's Nest: An Interpretive Journey Through the Map of Cuauhtinchan No. 2."

Carrasco said that in 2010 the University of New Mexico, which published the original version, will edit the version in Spanish.

"This map and the book we published to decipher it have changed our understanding of the Mesoamerican codices and of the sacred lands of that region," Carrasco said.

That new understanding has political and social significance today.

"This map links the identity and politics of Mexican-Americans, that is, the Chicano people, with the art, rituals and philosophical practices of pre-Colombian Mexicans," he said.

"The insistence of Mexican-American scholars and activists on using Aztlan as their symbol is strengthened by the history recounted by this map, since it places Mexicans in the United States within a wider history of migration, ethnic interactions, religions and rituals," the academic said.

MC2, according to Carrasco, links Chicanos "with the lands where the struggle for their freedom and rights took place before the oppression."

So great is the connection of this map with Chicanos that Colgate University astronomy professor Anthony Aveni and independent journalist Laana Carrasco - David's daughter - published a children's book telling the story of 10-year-old Mexican-American twins who "travel in time" and go on pilgrimage with their ancestors 100 years before the Spaniards arrived.

This book "connects many of the concerns and hopes of the present-day Chicano Movement with the cosmology and life of the ancient indigenous Mexicans," David Carrasco said.

Together with his students and his interdisciplinary team, Carrasco continues to study the sacred objects and numerous plants that appear on the map.

"This map is a treasure for academics because it reveals with artistic splendor and in detail the way of life of an Indian community that told its own story in the midst of a serious social conflict," he said. EFE/By Francisco Miraval
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I been looking online for the best quality pics of the map since I feel like the pics my gf and Freedom's wifey took were a bit blurry & at an angle, luckily, I found a few:


















Now they look big here, but these images are actually tiny.
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And those r only pieces of the mc2.
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And those r only pieces of the mc2.
Yeah.

I don't know how the other ones look like.
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Those midgets drew better shit than the Aztecs. Good stuff. With color y la chingada Muy chingon, with color.

Although, I do have a question. The last image tec posted depicts a darker skinned man and then a lighter skinned man. What does that symbolize?
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Although, I do have a question. The last image tec posted depicts a darker skinned man and then a lighter skinned man. What does that symbolize?
Um... that's a man and woman. They're a couple.
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They don't look sexed to me.
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what are the best research books for understanding Chicomoztoc? The site has become inspiring to me as a painter.
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what are the best research books for understanding Chicomoztoc? The site has become inspiring to me as a painter.
Thanks for the great images of the map!
I haven't seen a book that gives you details on chicomoztoc. You'll see an image that represents chicomoztoc in codices, but that's about it.
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Chichimec warriors fly from their mythical place of origin to join the Toltecs in a victorious battle for the city of Cholula. (Courtesy University of New Mexico Press)



After the conquest, Chichimec priests make offerings at the temple in Cholula (Courtesy University of New Mexico Press)


They have part of the article from archaeology magazine here:

http://www.archaeology.org/0903/abst...uhtinchan.html

Map Quest

Volume 62 Number 2, March/April 2009
by Tom Gidwitz

Follow a pre-Hispanic manuscript into the world of the Chichimecs

Outside the village of Oxtotipan, 90 miles southeast of Mexico City, archaeologist Miguel Medina Jaen and I stand on the lip of the Barranca del Aguila, a 300-foot-deep canyon cut by a spring-fed river. The rock walls beneath us are pocked with dozens of caves that were carved into ritual chambers that may date to as early as 950 B.C.

Medina first came here on archaeological surveys in the 1990s. He has explored and documented more than 50 of the canyon's caves and found a variety of ritual constructions--wall niches, gravelike trenches in floors, windows, and shafts in ceilings to let in light and mark important days of the year. His guide throughout these projects has been a 16th-century bark-paper document called the Map of Cuauhtinchan No. 2 (MC2) that was used to reinforce the territorial claims of the Chichimecs, who settled the area 800 years ago.

An illustration in the top-left corner of the map shows Chichimec warriors flying out of a seven-chambered cave following their goddess Itzpapalotl, who carries a severed human leg as a battle standard. It is a graphic representation of the Chichimec creation story. Some of the caves of the Barranca del Aguila were carved to resemble the mythical seven-chambered cave, called Chicomoztoc, establishing a link between this place and the ancient creation story.

The MC2, however, is more than a representation of the geography; it records a journey, a history, and--at its deepest level--how the Chichimecs saw their place in the world.

Opening a copy of the map, Medina shows me how the canyon and the village of Oxtotipan were depicted. There is no drawing of a village, only a collection of cryptic symbols. The canyon is represented by a string of white rocks spewing water, where Lord 13 Rain, the ruler who conquered the village in A.D. 1183, and his wife sit beside a flowering plant, a tree, and a mound with a dog's head.

Oxtotipan's prominent place on the map stood out, and it was one of the reasons Medina came here to look for archaeological sites. "The person who made the map had an image in his mind of the regional geography, the historical events, and the mythology," says Medina. "The map brings together all of those things into a single document."
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Those are good images... I still wanna get the book... just haven't remembered to order it.
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Those are good images... I still wanna get the book... just haven't remembered to order it.
Same here.
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I found the presentation online that Freedom, his wifey, Jia & I saw at the event:

http://www.unmpress.com/pdf/MapaVoicesSW.pdf
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Link don't work tec.
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I knew something like that would happen so I downloaded it.

Here's the pdf presentation:

https://www.yousendit.com/download/R...dzhlM1EwTVE9PQ

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The map, I got from the pdf presentation. I made it as big as possible without losing it's quality.

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Cool... Got 'em....
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I really love the colors in these pics. It's amazing that they have retained so much color after all this time. They still look vibrant. How big are these pictures in real life? It's hard to tell from the close up shots.

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The MC2, however, is more than a representation of the geography; it records a journey, a history, and--at its deepest level--how the Chichimecs saw their place in the world.

Opening a copy of the map, Medina shows me how the canyon and the village of Oxtotipan were depicted. There is no drawing of a village, only a collection of cryptic symbols. The canyon is represented by a string of white rocks spewing water, where Lord 13 Rain, the ruler who conquered the village in A.D. 1183, and his wife sit beside a flowering plant, the PhenQ plan at https://skinnyexpress.com/phenq-review is cool, a tree, and a mound with a dog's head.

Oxtotipan's prominent place on the map stood out, and it was one of the reasons Medina came here to look for archaeological sites. "The person who made the map had an image in his mind of the regional geography, the historical events, and the mythology," says Medina. "The map brings together all of those things into a single document."

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They are just restored using different technics.

The drawings are tiny (about the size of the typical hand) since they are tell a large story with tons of drawings since the map is about the same height as me.
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The MC2, however, is more than a representation of the geography; it records a journey, a history, and--at its deepest level--how the Chichimecs saw their place in the world.

Opening a copy of the map, Medina shows me how the canyon and the village of Oxtotipan were depicted. There is no drawing of a village, only a collection of cryptic symbols. The canyon is represented by a string of white rocks spewing water, where supplement plexus, the ruler who conquered the village in A.D. 1183, and his wife sit beside a flowering plant, the plan at ht cool, a tree, and a mound with a dog's head.

Oxtotipan's prominent place on the map stood out, and it was one of the reasons Medina came here to look for archaeological sites. "The person who made the map had an image in his mind of the regional geography, the historical events, and the mythology," says Medina. "The map brings together all of those things into a single document."

I really love the colors in these pics. It's amazing that they have retained so much color after all this time. They still look vibrant. How big are these pictures in real life? It's hard to tell from the close up shots.

If you save the image it will save as jpg, convert it over to png which you can find google.

Then open photo shop and select the new PNG img, in the measurement options, photoshop can measure the actual length of the png photo. You would at least have an accurate measurement of the close up shots instead of just guessing

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