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The one thing that has always bothered me about religion is it's DIVISION.
It not only divides faiths but people as well. It's silly. I've lost friends over this. Their moms tell them that because they're are muslim they can't hang with me or come to my house.. of course this was growing up.

Why should a religion keep you from making a new friend? I never understood that. Why do we let it dictate who we like, where we can go, what we can eat or who we can marry? WTF?

I've walked away from calling myself "Catholic" and now I just say that I'm a spiritual man. I believe in a higher power but have no name for it.
I'd rather like you for you than your choice of faith.

and if I don't like you.. then fuck you anyway. I'm still drinking my beer so fuck off and leave me alone.
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^ Meme you raise a really good point.

I started this thread because people seem to be uncannily repeled by things Jewish and I thought it would help if there was a place people could let it all out. Some have been mature, some...

Anyways, I don't believe we should all be the same religion, the same ethnicity, have the same opinions. I think people can also belong to different homes at the same time (Jewish, Mexican, Californian, Angelino, citizen of Earth etc.)
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Israel and the entire middle east is perfect for learning a lesson from. But no one does. Not even them.
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Since I was already circumcised, a ceremonial nick was done instead.
Lucky bastard! haha i got many Muslim friends who went through circumcision at around 6 or 7 .... they its painful lolol (i was circumcised at birth. seems like its something commonly done in Mexico)

Anyway, its good to see someone who actually thaught it through before chosing a religion
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You silly Jew, you just can’t realistically expect us good Christians to forget it was the barbarous Jews who killed Christ!

I’ll never forget!
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Israel and the entire middle east is perfect for learning a lesson from. But no one does. Not even them.
Some of you may not know this but...

There are many orthodox religious Jews who have never believed in a secular Israeli state. They do not believe in the curent Israel state on religious grounds claiming that the Tanach forbids the formation of a new Israeli state prior to the construction of the third temple. These very religious Jews side with the Palestinians. They think Israel is politicizing their religion.

On the other hand, most left-wing, secular Ashkenazi in the U.S. also oppose Israel and side with the Palestinians. It is a curious thing.

So it is not true that Israel is an entity that all Jews support whole-heartedly. Conversely, for this reason, you shouldn't extrapolate what Israel does to making generic statements about Jews all over.

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You silly Jew, you just can’t realistically expect us good Christians to forget it was the barbarous Jews who killed Christ!

I’ll never forget!
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"There are many orthodox religious Jews who have never believed in a secular Israeli state. They do not believe in the curent Israel state on religious grounds claiming that the Tanach forbids the formation of a new Israeli state prior to the construction of the third temple. These very religious Jews side with the Palestinians. They think Israel is politicizing their religion."


interesting...

i ve met only a few jews who do not support israel...

i dont have nething against jews.... geo-political zionists, however, i think r fucken stupid and cant see what s really going on in israel and palestine...
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2) Having learned the true story of the Catholic Church in subjugating indigenous people over the past 500 years, I found I can no longer associate myself with this political legacy.
True that.

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5) Indigenous religion is not yet supported by indigenous holy texts as they were unfortunately burned by the Spanish and the Church. (However, I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican Library has secret texts they have kept.) This may not always be true.
I think they do have a few Native Codicies in the Vatican library so it wouldn't surprise me.

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I hear you. I never like Catholicism in the US. No culture in it.
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I ditched being a Catholic too, but I never really considered replacing it with a different religion/cult/superstition.
I'm kinda the same way. I would like to look deeper into Native religious beliefs though.

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Some of you may not know this but...

There are many orthodox religious Jews who have never believed in a secular Israeli state. They do not believe in the curent Israel state on religious grounds claiming that the Tanach forbids the formation of a new Israeli state prior to the construction of the third temple. These very religious Jews side with the Palestinians. They think Israel is politicizing their religion.

On the other hand, most left-wing, secular Ashkenazi in the U.S. also oppose Israel and side with the Palestinians. It is a curious thing.
Word? Interesting.
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Jesus = Jew
Virgin Mary = Jew
Abraham = Jew
Moses = Jew

Every disciple was a Jew. All Jews. If Jesus was a Jew, and Jesus is God, therefore I conclude that God is Jewish.
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Having holy texts to "support" is a matter of cultural preference. Foreigners to this hemisphere have a real knack for always writing shit down. Not to say natives did not record for certain purposes but the emphasis was more on one's words and follow through. Also,if one delves into native traditions and methods the real lessons are passed on via experiencing the practical employment of teachings and ceremonies.
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What the Native Indians wanted to pass down, has been passed down through story telling and hieroglyphics. Unlike popular belief, the Spanish only really damaged the relics of the two largest civilzations: Aztec and Mayan.
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This thread reminds me of the Ras Kass song where he's conversing with God.



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Jesus = Jew
Virgin Mary = Jew
Abraham = Jew
Moses = Jew

Every disciple was a Jew. All Jews. If Jesus was a Jew, and Jesus is God, therefore I conclude that God is Jewish.
My god, or rather my concept of God isn't Jewish. The idea of worshiping the Jewish son of God is one that was forced on our people by foreign colonizers.


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What the Native Indians wanted to pass down, has been passed down through story telling and hieroglyphics. Unlike popular belief, the Spanish only really damaged the relics of the two largest civilzations: Aztec and Mayan.
Wrong holmes. They touched/destroyed many cultures from modern day California to Colorado and as far south as Tierra Del Fuego, as well as the Caribbean, Florida and parts of South Carolina and Mississippi.

Native beliefs were outlawed and those who refused conversion were killed. Some of my direct ancestors were nearly wiped out because they refused to convert, and they were not Aztec or Maya.
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After the Spanish conquest of the Natives, Catholicism manifested itself in the culmination of the Native and Spanish cultures which is present day Mexican culture. People are NOT forced into the religion.


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Wrong holmes. They touched/destroyed many cultures from modern day California to Colorado and as far south as Tierra Del Fuego, as well as the Caribbean, Florida and parts of South Carolina and Mississippi.

Native beliefs were outlawed and those who refused conversion were killed. Some of my direct ancestors were nearly wiped out because they refused to convert, and they were not Aztec or Maya.
On the contrary, much of the Southwest was not colonized by the Spanish. Much of the Native Indian tribes stayed well into the 1800's in states like Arizona. It was for this reason no one wanted to even INHABIT those areas due to the Native Indian threat. Why do you think it is that there are large percentages of native indians in Southern Mexico? Those people were essentially not directly colonized. Cortez focused on the largest empires, Aztec and Mayan.
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Jews, with their little Jew hats, annoy me.
Don't even get me started on Spanish Jews.
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what ab0ut the spanish jews?
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I'm kinda the same way. I would like to look deeper into Native religious beliefs though.
Have you ever been to a traditional style Lakota Sweat Lodge which is called the Inipi which means the Stone People's Lodge? If you haven't it's a great place to learn and practice aboriginal spirituality that is not based on written religious texts or carved stone or clay tablets as most dogmatic civilizations arrogantly pride themselves upon.
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what ab0ut the spanish jews?
Jews were kicked out of Spain after 700 years. It is a great offense to call a Spaniard a "Judio"
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i just recently found out... well not so recently... that there is a small population of sephardic jews in el salvador... i thought that was pretty interesting.


i met one of them.... they have a much different experience in that country than their catholic/xian counterparts as far as their customs and shit.
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Mexico City has the largest Jewish Mexican population.

Here's a list of notable Jewish Mexicans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_Jews
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Lucky bastard! haha i got many Muslim friends who went through circumcision at around 6 or 7 .... they its painful lolol (i was circumcised at birth. seems like its something commonly done in Mexico)

Anyway, its good to see someone who actually thaught it through before chosing a religion
How many citizenships do you have? What do you think about genital mutiliation in regards to male babies, do you think babies should be uncircumcized until they are old enough to decide themselves as teens or adults to have a circumcision for personal or religious reasons?
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I was born in Mexico DF, and was circumcized at birth. I know it's debatable, but I think it's a good thing to do, solely for health reasons. I'll most definitely get my babyboy circumcized when I'll have one. There's no reason for me to wait until until he's older, as there are no religious considerations attached to this decision.
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^ I was also circumcized at birth. Do you know if your parents ok the docs to circumcize you?

I wonder if my mother knew if the doctors were going to do this and if she ok'd it or if they did this without her knowledge and approval. I currently don't plan on having children but I don't know if I'm going to allow the doctors to circumcise my son if I end up having a boy.
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Mexico City has the largest Jewish Mexican population.
No shit, really? The largest Jewish Mexican
population can be found in the largest Mexican city?!
I heard that Mexico City has the largest Catholic Mexican
population too. Who would have thunk it, right?
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lmao i swear i was gonna make the same remark


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Do you know if your parents ok the docs to circumcize you?
I have no idea.
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