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Has anybody read the Popul Vuh? Did you like it?

With me, I read part of it (half) and I enjoyed that part that I read. Wanna finish it though.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/acad...olvuhmain.html
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Can u tell me a bit about it?
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It's the sacred book of the Quiche Maya (Quatamala). It's a book about the creation of the world and the people there. There's also these two main characters who are twin. It's an interesting book. Also talks about the gods many attempts on creating 'humans". Makes you think though.
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Thanks man! sounds intresting.
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Weird part is that a spanish priest took it from a Quiche Maya person and he translated it. The original book is lost. All that is left is what the priest wrote.
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No way! Now would if the pr iest twisted the story? Just wondering! lol
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I don't know. He wrote the Quiche symbols into the latin alphabet (there's someone who is arguing with me that Maya and Nahuatl were influenced by Egyptians because the way the words are spelt or how they are suppose to sound. I told her the main reason why it does that is because the priest wrote these languages into the latin alphabet. The writing does not sound like how it's sound and latin is influenced by the Egyptians. She got mad at that and attacked me personally. LOL. It's funny. New agers trying to make it sound like our people were influenced by other things than ourselves. For example, egyptians, europeans, aliens. LOL. Another way Europeans have enslaved us; mentally.) and then from there, he translated it to Spanish. The original spanish version is not really the correct translation to the quiche version so a lot of people did new versions of it. If you do get this book either by borrow it or buying it, make sure it has the notes at the bottom. They tell you if the translation is right or wrong and what it should be.
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please enlighten us... is this it?

http://www.fiu.edu/~northupl/populvuh.html
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I'm not sure if that's the book. Sounds too weird. LOL

The book is about creation and the journey of twins.
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damn!

then this isn't it... it doesn't even mention twins; but i think i know what you're talking about now. is it the myth about a father that becomes inprisoned in the underworld and his twin children seek out to rescue him... and when they finally do; the earh is born.?
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no. The twin existed after the creation.

Here's the book:

http://www.geocities.com/athens/acad...olvuhmain.html

It's the whole book.
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oh man, that's so cool!

thanks for the link!
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It is cool. It's from the quiche mayan (from Guatamala). It's pretty long.
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rich in metaphor, contemplate with your heart...

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE ANCIENT WORD, here in this place called Quiche. Here we shall inscribe, we shall implant the Ancient Word, the potential and source for everything done in the citadel of Quiche, in the nation of Quiche people.
And here we shall take up the demonstration, revelation, and account of how things were put in shadow and brought to light by
the Maker, Modeler,
named Bearer, Begetter,
Hunahpu Possum, Hunahpu Coyote,
Great White Peccary, Coati,
Sovereign Plumed Serpent,
Heart of the Lake, Heart of the Sea,
plate shaper, bowl shaper, as they are called, also named, also described as
the midwife, matchmaker
named Xpiyacoc, Xmucane,
defender, protector,
twice a midwife, twice a matchmaker,
as is said in the words of Quiche. They accounted for everything預nd did it, too預s enlightened beings, in enlightened words. We shall write about this now amid the preaching of God, in Christendom now. We shall bring it out because there is no longer
a place to see it, a Council Book,
a place to see 'The Light That Came from Beside the Sea,"
the account of "Our Place in the Shadows.- a place to see 'The Dawn of life,"
as it is called. There is the original book and ancient writing, but the one who reads and assesses it has a hidden identity. It takes a long perforャmance and account to complete the lighting of all the sky-earth:
the fourfold siding, fourfold cornering, measuring, fourfold staking
halving the cord, stretching the cord


in the sky, on the earth,
the four sides, the four corners, as it is said,
by the Maker, Modeler,
mother-father of life, of humankind,
giver of breath, giver of heart,
bearer, upbringer in the light that lasts
of those born in the light, begotten in the light;
worrier, knower of everything, whatever there is:
sky-earth, lake-sea.
THIS IS THE ACCOUNT, here it is:


Now it still ripples, now it still murmurs, ripples, it still sighs, still hums, and it is empty under the sky.
Here follow the first words, the first eloquence:
There is not yet one person, one animal, bird, fish, crab, tree, rock, hollow, canyon, meadow., forest. Only the sky alone is there; the face of
the earth is not clear. Only the sea alone is pooled under all the sky: there is nothing whatever gathered together. It is at rest; not a single thing stirs. It is held back, kept at rest under the sky.
Whatever there is that might be is simply not there: only the pooled water, only the calm sea, only it alone is pooled.
Whatever might be is simply not there: only murmurs, ripples, in the dark, in the night. Only the Maker, Modeler alone, Sovereign Plumed Serpent, the Bearers, Begetters are in the water, a glittering light. They are there, they are enclosed in quetzal feathers, in blue-green.
Thus the name, "Plumed Serpent." They are great knowers, great thinkers in their very being.
SOVEREIGN FILMED SERPENT: Here he is seated, holding a snake in his hand. On his back he wean a quetzal bird with its head behind his, its wings at the level of his
shoulders, and its tail hanging down to the ground. From the Dresden Codex.

And of course there is the sky, and there is also the Heart of Sky, This is the name of the god, as it is spoken.
And then came his word, he came here to the Sovereign Plumed Serpent, here in the blackness, in the early dawn. He spoke with the Sovereign Plumed Serpent, and they talked, then they thought, then they worried. They agreed with each other, they joined their words, their thoughts. Then it was clear, then they reached accord in the light, and then humanity was clear, when they conceived the growth, the generaャtion of trees, of bushes, and the growth of life, of humankind, in the blackness, in the early dawn, all because of the Heart of Sky, named Hurricane. Thunderbolt Hurricane comes first, the second is Newborn Thunderbolt, and the third is Sudden Thunderbolt.
So there were three of them, as Heart of Sky, who carne to the Soverャeign Plumed Serpent, when the dawn of life was conceived:
"How should the sowing be, and the dawning? Who is to he the provider, nurturer?"
"Let it be this way, think about it: this water should be removed, emptied out for the formation of the earth's own plate and platform, then should come the sowing, the dawning of the sky earth But there will be no high days and no bright praise for our work, our design, until the rise of the human work, the human design," they said.
And then the earth arose because of them, it Was simply their word that brought it forth. For the forming of the earth they said "Earth." It arose suddenly, just like a cloud, like a mist, now forming, unfolding.

Then the mountains were separated from the water, all at Once the great mountains came forth. By their genius alone, by their cutting edge alone they carried out the conception of the mountain-plain, whose face grew instant groves of cypress anti pine.
And the Plumed Serpent was pleased with this:
"It was good that you came, Heart of Sky, Hurricane, and Newborn Thunderbolt, Sudden Thunderbolt. Our work, our design will turn out well," they said.
And the earth was formed first, the mountain-plain. The channels of water were separated; their branches wound their ways among the mountains. The waters were divided when the great mountains appeared.
Such was the formation of the earth when it was brought forth by the Heart of Sky, Heart of Earth, as they are called, since they were the first to think of it. The sky was set apart, and the earth was set apart in the midst of the waters.
Such was their plan when they thought, when they worried about the completion of their work.
NOW THEY PLANNED THE ANIMALS OF THE MOUNTAINS, all the guardians of the forests, creatures of the mountains: the deer, birds, pumas, jaguars, serpents, rattlesnakes, fer-de-lances, guardians of the bushes.
A Bearer, Begetter speaks:
"Why this pointless humming? Why should there merely be rustling beneath the trees and bushes?"

"Indeed葉hey had better have guardians," the others replied soon they thought it and said it, deer and birds came forth.
And then they gave out homes to the deer and birds:
"You, the deer: sleep along the rivers, in the canyons. Be here in the meadows, in the thickets, in the forests, multiply yourselves. You will d and walk on all fours," they were told.
So then they established the nests of the birds, small and great:
"You, precious birds: your nests, your houses are in the trees, in the ashes. Multiply there, scatter there, in the branches of trees, the branches of bushes," the deer and birds were told.
en this deed had been done, all of them had received a place to p and a place to stay. So it is that the nests of the animals are on the given by the Bearer, Begetter. Now the arrangement of the deer
kid birds was complete.
ND THEN THE DEER AND BIRDS WERE TOLD by the Maker, Mod-r, Bearer, Begetter:
"Talk, speak out. Don't moan, don't cry out. Please talk, each to each, thin each kind, within each group,- they were told葉he deer, birds, a, jaguar, serpent.
Name now our names, praise us. We are your mother, we are your r. Speak now:
`Hurricane,
Newborn Thunderbolt, Sudden Thunderbolt, Heart of Sky, Heart of Earth,
Maker, Modeler,
Bearer, Begetter,'
Ids, pray to us, keep our days," they were told. But it didn't turn out they spoke like people: they just squawked, they just chattered, they howled. It wasn't apparent what language they spoke; each one gave different cry. When the Maker, Modeler heard this:
的t hasn't turned out well, they haven't spoken," they said among themselves. "It hasn't turned out that our names have been named. Since are their mason and sculptor, this will not do," the Bearers and Begetters said among themselves. So they told them:
ーYou will simply have to be transformed. Since it hasn't turned out you haven't spoken, we have changed our word:

"What you feed on, what you eat, the places where you sleep, the places where you stay, whatever is yours will remain in the canyons, the forests. Although it turned nut that our days were not kept, nor did you pray to us, there may yet be strength in the keeper of days, the giver of praise whom we have yet to make. Just accept your service, just let your flesh be eaten.
-So be it, this must be your service,- they were told when they were instructed葉he animals, small and great, On the face of the earth.
And then they wanted to test their timing again, they wanted to experiャment again, and they wanted to prepare for the keeping of days again. They had riot heard their speech among the animals; it did not come to fruition and it was not complete.
And so their flesh was brought low: they served, they were eaten, they were killed葉he animals on the face of the earth.
AGAIN THERE COMES AN EXPERIMENT WITH THE HUMAN WORK the human design, by the Maker, Modeler, Bearer, Begetter:
"It must simply be tried again. The time for the planting and dawning is nearing. For this we must make a provider and nurturer. How else can we be invoked and remembered on the face of the earth? We have already made our first try at our work and design, but it turned out that they didn't keep our days, nor (lid they glorify us.
-So now let's try to make a giver of praise, giver of respect, provider, nurturer," they said.
So then comes the building and working with earth and mud. They made a body, but it didn't look good to them. It was just separating, just crumbling. just loosening, just softening, just disintegrating, and just dissolving. Its head wouldn't turn, either. Its face was just lopsided, its face was just twisted. It couldn't look around. It talked at first, but
Senselessly. It was quickly dissolving in the water.
"It won't last," the mason and sculptor said then. -It seems to be dwindling away, so let it just dwindle. It can't walk and it can't multiply,
so let it be merely a thought," they said.
So then they dismantled, again they brought down their work and
design. Again they talked:
-What is there for us to make that would turn out well, that would
succeed in keeping our days and praying to us?" they said. Then they
planned again:
"We'll just tell Xpiyacoc, Xmucane, Hunahpu Possum, Hunahpu Coy
ote, to try a counting of days, a counting of lots," the mason and sculptor said to themselves. Then they invoked Xpiyacoc, Xmucane.
THEN COMES THE NAMING OF THOSE WHO ARE THE MIDMOST SEERS: the "Grandmother of Day, Grandmother of Light," as the Maker, Modャeler called them. These are names of Xpiyacoc and Xmucane.
When Hurricane had spoken with the Sovereign Plumed Serpent, they invoked the daykeepers, diviners, the midmost seers:
"There is yet to find, yet to discover how we are to model a person, construct a person again, a provider, nurturer, so that we are called upon and we are recognized: our recompense is in words.
Midwife, matchmaker,
our grandmother, our grandfather,
Xpiyacoc, Xmucane,
let there be planting, let there be the dawning
of our invocation, our sustenance, our recognition
by the human work, the human design,
the human figure, the human form.
So be it, fulfill your names:
Hunahpu Possum, Hunahpu Coyote,
Bearer twice over, Begetter twice over,
Great Peccary, Great Coati,
lapidary, jeweler,
sawyer, carpenter,
plate shaper, bowl shaper,
incense maker, master craftsman,
Grandmother of Day, Grandmother of Light.

You have been called upon
hands over the kernels of corn, over the seeds of the coral tree,just get
it done, just let it come out whether we should carve and gouge a mouth,
a face in wood," they told the daykeepers.
then comes the borrowing,, the 'counting of days;the hand is
moved over the corn kernels, over the coral seeds, the days, the lots. Then they spoke to them, one of them a grandmother, the other a grandfather.
This is the grandfather, this is the master of the coral seeds: Xpiyacoc is his name.
And this is the grandmother, the daykeeper, diviner who stands behind others: Xmucane is her name.
And they said, as they set out the days:
"Just let it he found, just let it be discovered,
say it, our ear is listening,
may you talk, may you speak,
just find the wood for the carving and sculpting
by the builder, sculptor.
Is this to be the provider, the nurturer
when it comes to the planting, the dawning?
You corn kernels, you coral seeds,
you days, you lots:
may you succeed, may you be accurate,"
they said to the corn kernels, coral seeds, days, lots. "Have shame, you up there, Heart of Sky: attempt no deception before the mouth and face of Sovereign Plumed Serpent," they said. Then they spoke straight to the point:
-It is well that there be your manikins, woodcarvings, talking, speaking,. there on the face of the earth."
"So be it," they replied. The moment they spoke it was done: the manikins, woodcarvings, human in looks and human in speech. This was the peopling of the face of the earth:
They came into being, they multiplied, they had daughters, they had sons, these manikins, woodcarvings. But there was nothing in their hearts, and nothing in their minds, no memory of their mason and builder. They, just went and walked wherever they wanted. Now they did not remember. the Heart of Sky.
And so they fell, just an experiment and just a cutout for humankind. They were talking at first but their faces were dry. They were not yet 70developed in the legs and arms. They had no blood, no lymph. They had no sweat, no fat. Their complexions were dry, their faces were crusty. They flailed their legs and arms, their bodies were deformed.
And so they accomplished nothing before the Maker, Modeler who gave them birth, gave them heart. They became the first numerous people here on the face of the earth.
AGAIN THERE COMES A HUMILIATION, destruction, and demolition. The manikins, woodcarvings were killed when the Heart of Sky devised a flood for them. A great flood was made; it came down on the heads of the manikins, woodcarvings.
The man's body was carved from the wood of the coral tree by the Maker, Modeler. And as for the woman, the Maker, Modeler needed the hearts of bulrushes for the woman's body. They were not competent, nor did they speak before the builder and sculptor who made them and brought them forth, and so they were killed, done in by a flood:
There came a rain of resin from the sky.
There came the one named Gouger of Faces: he gouged out their eyeballs.
There came Sudden Bloodletter: he snapped off their heads. There came Crunching Jaguar: he ate their flesh.
There came Tearing jaguar: he tore them open.
They were pounded down to the bones and tendons, smashed and pulverized even to the bones. Their faces were smashed because they were incompetent before their mother and their father,
named Hurricane. The earth was blackened because of this; the black rainstorm began, rain all day and rain all night. Into their houses came the animals, small and great. Their faces were crushed by things of wood and stone. Everything spoke: their water jars, their tortilla griddles, their plates, their cooking pots, their dogs, their grinding stones, each and every, thing crushed their faces. Their dogs and turkeys told them:
"You caused us pain, you ate us, but now it is you whom we shall eat." And this is the grinding stone:
"We were undone because of you.
Every day, every day,
in the dark, in the dawn, ever, r-r-rip, r-r-rip,
r-r-rub, r-r-rub,
right in our faces, because of you.
This was the service we gave you at first, when you were still people, but today you will learn of our power. We shall pound and we shall grind your flesh," their grinding stones told them.
And this is what their dogs said, when they spoke in their turn:
"Why is it you can't seem to give us our food? We just watch and you ! just keep us down, and you throw us around. You keep a stick ready when you eat, just so you can hit us. We don't talk, so we've received nothing from you. How could you not have known? You did know that we were wasting away there, behind you.
"So, this very day you will taste the teeth in our mouths. We shall eat you," their dogs told them, and their faces were crushed.
And then their tortilla griddles and cooking pots spoke to them in turn:
"Pain! That's all you've done for us. Our mouths are sooty, our faces are sooty. By setting us on the fire all the time, you burn us. Since We felt no pain, you by it. We shall burn you," all their cooking pots said; crushing their faces.
The stones, their hearthstones were shooting out, coining right out o the fire, going for their heads, causing them pain. Now they run for helter-skelter.
They want to climb up on the houses, but they hill as the houses,., collapse.
They want to climb the trees; they're thrown off by the trees.


They want to get inside caves, but the caves slam shut in their faces.
Such was the scattering of the human work, the human design. The people were ground down, overthrown. The months and faces of all of them were destroyed and crushed. And it used to be said that the monャkeys in the forests today are a sign of this. They were left as a sign because wood alone was used for their flesh by the builder and sculptor.
So this is why monkey's look like people: they are a sign of a previous human work, human design洋ere manikins, mere woodcarvings.
HIS WAS WHEN THERE WAS JUST A TRACE OF EARLY DAWN on the
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face of the earth, there was no sun. But there was one who magnified himself; Seven Macaw is his name. The sky-earth was already there, but the face of the sun-moon was clouded over. Even so, it is said that his light provided a sign for the people who were flooded. He was like a person of genius in his being.
"I am great. My place is now higher than that of the human work, the human design. I am their sun and I am their light, and I am also their months.
"So be it: my light is great. I am the walkway and 1 am the foothold of the people, because my eyes are of metal. My teeth just glitter with Jewels, and turquoise as well: they stand out blue with stones like the face of the sky.
"And this nose of mine shines white into the distance like the moon.





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Thank you Tec I'll take my time and read it another day and then tell you what I think of it
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Have you it yet?
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Thanks for the links. I'm sure it will be enlightening.
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You're welcome. Did you read it?
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Weird part is that a spanish priest took it from a Quiche Maya person and he translated it. The original book is lost. All that is left is what the priest wrote

I beleive some Mayan elders have worked with authors to improve and enhance the accuracy of the story.
I think the difficult parts would be
1. the attempt to convey the depth and nuances of the Quiche language into English. and...
2.having the reader understand the symbolic elements within the story and not interpret it with a linear mentality.
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I beleive some Mayan elders have worked with authors to improve and enhance the accuracy of the story.
I think the difficult parts would be
1. the attempt to convey the depth and nuances of the Quiche language into English. and...
2.having the reader understand the symbolic elements within the story and not interpret it with a linear mentality.
I remember the update version of the book on the book version gave you more details about the culture and a lot of foot notes..
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Where can I get this book?
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You can find this book practically anywhere. It's pretty common.
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