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MEXICO CITY - Mexican archeologists are investigating if the tomb of an Aztec emperor lies beneath a recently excavated stone monolith depicting a fearsome god.
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It would be the first burial site ever found of a leader of the 1427-1521 Aztec empire, said archaeologist Eduardo Matos Thursday.
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I bet you anything is if it is a tomb, it's going to be a urn with ashes in it.
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that would be funny if ure right..

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You know what's funny, they don't even mention what type of god (Tlaltecuhtli. You can tell by the design and it represents the earth.) is on the monolith.

Why do they always focus on certain key words?

Anyway, here's some pics:











How much do you want to bet that I know more about this than the reporter who wrote this? LOL. I bet you the urn is probably box shape and made of stone.
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You know what's funny, they don't even mention what type of god (Tlaltecuhtli. You can tell by the design and it represents the earth.) is on the monolith.

Why do they always focus on certain key words?

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How much do you want to bet that I know more about this than the reporter who wrote this? LOL. I bet you the urn is probably box shape and made of stone.
i m sure u know more tec...
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After the atonishing discovery at nearby the Templo Mayor in Mexico City of the biggest Mexica piece yet, archeologists believe it is the entrance to the chambers that lead to the tomb of tlahtoani Ahuizotl who ruled from 1486 to 1502.

The piece, which portrays Tlaltecuhtli, is believe to be the entrance to the tomb of Ahuizotl.

Researchers are going to use radar equipment in order to scan for human remains at that area known in Mexico City as Las Ajaracas, part of the Templo Mayor complex. They're just waiting for the money, as usual, to go for it.

If indeed the tomb of Ahuizotl is discovered, this would be the first time a Mexica tlahtoani would be discovered just as it is business as usual in the Mayan world and Oaxaca.

Remains of many famous rulers, like Xolotl, Techotlalla, were believed to be in a certain spot, but never corroborated. The remains of Cuauhtemoc lie in Ixcateopan, Guerrero. He never had a proper tomb as it was with Ahuizotl the great.

Everyone is excited about the tomb. And some argue that if the tomb is found, they will find the remains of Ahuizotl in ashes instead of a complete body like in Palenque, Copan, Tikal, Monte Alban or Yagul.

Ahuizotl was elected after the unpopular tlahtocayotl of Tizoc. Ahuizotl rose with an expansionist policy, giving a complete new meaning to warfare in Anahuac. He waged war against almost all rulers in Central Mexico and Chiapas. For his new militaristic way of conquering, Ahuizotl was a hated tlahtoani in foreign countries.
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Cool stuff.
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The face of Tlaltecuhtli, 'Earth power' is the SAME face on the "Aztec" Sunstone!!!

A lot of people mistake Tonatiuh, the 'Sun power', as the central figure in the Aztec Sunstone, but NO, it's Tlaltecuhtli and the forces of Ollin 'movement', which Tlaltecuhtli manifests.

The moving tongue is Tlaltecuhtli as 'the Earth' speaks to us, warning of impending movements, which we call earthquakes.

This is a phenomenal "discovery!"
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I wonder if they know who Ahuizotl (Nahuatl for water dog which would probably have that symbol on the urn.) is.
Ahuizotl does not mean water dog, but otter.

A water dog is "a dog accustomed to water and usually trained to retrieve waterfowl" (WordNet). Here's a pic of a river otter, similar to those that existed in the lakes of the Valley of Anahuac. It's the first one. The second one is a pic of a water dog.






Otters populated the lakes areas, but as time passed, they became exctinct as many other animals.
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were water dogs around central mexico?
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were water dogs around central mexico?
Water dogs are just dogs, regular ones. Of course there were dogs, but don't know if those dogs had acuatic abilities.

Compare the otter in the picture with the glyph or symbol for Ahuizotl's name in any codex.

Here are some examples of the ahuizotl symbol. The first three are real in a historical sense, the last two are copies for their artistic purposes.









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interesting...


what i meant was there that type of dog ( the picture u posted of a water dog )




but i think i get what ure trying to say... water dogs, r just dogs with aquatic capabilities and no particular type of dog....
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Like that picture. Not exactly. Dogs looked like these:



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Water dogs are just dogs, regular ones. Of course there were dogs, but don't know if those dogs had acuatic abilities.

Compare the otter in the picture with the glyph or symbol for Ahuizotl's name in any codex.

Here are some examples of the ahuizotl symbol. The first three are real in a historical sense, the last two are copies for their artistic purposes.









The drawings, looked like they changed over time to a point that we can't tell what it is.
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The drawings, looked like they changed over time to a point that we can't tell what it is.
That's perfectly normal in any type of writing. After all, this was a writing system, which was alive and evolved until the Conquest. For instance, today's letter "A" evolved from a phoenician symbol of a bull.

The only one that has caused confusion is this one. It's an original shield from those times, and kept today in Viena, Austria. Now, it was originally thought to be a coyote, but now Austrians are saying it seems more of the Ahuizotl symbol. Today, in their museum, their calling it The Shield of Ahuizotl.

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wow.. excellent featherwork.
Take into account that shield is all ruined by time itself. Imagine one in its full glory! Shining against the sun!
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MEXICO CITY - Mexican archaeologists using ground-penetrating radar have detected underground chambers they believe contain the remains of Emperor Ahuizotl, who ruled the Aztecs when Columbus landed in the New World. It would be the first tomb of an Aztec ruler ever found.

The find could provide an extraordinary window into Aztec civilization at its apogee. Ahuizotl (ah-WEE-zoh-tuhl), an empire-builder who extended the Aztecs' reach as far as Guatemala, was the last emperor to complete his rule before the Spanish Conquest.

Accounts written by Spanish priests suggest the area was used by the Aztecs to cremate and bury their rulers. But no tomb of an Aztec ruler has ever been found, in part because the Spanish conquerors built their own city atop the Aztec's ceremonial center, leaving behind colonial structures too historically valuable to remove for excavations.

One of those colonial buildings was so damaged in a 1985 earthquake that it had to be torn down, eventually giving experts their first chance to examine the site off Mexico City's Zocalo plaza, between the Metropolitan Cathedral and the ruins of the Templo Mayor pyramid.

Archaeologists told The Associated Press that they have located what appears to be a six-foot-by-six-foot entryway into the tomb about 15 feet below ground. The passage is filled with water, rocks and mud, forcing workers to dig delicately while suspended from slings. Pumps work to keep the water level down.

"We are doing it very, very slowly ... because the responsibility is very great and we want to register everything," said Leonardo Lopez Lujan, the lead government archaeologist on the project. "It's a totally new situation for us, and we don't know exactly what it will be like down there."

As early as this fall, they hope to enter the inner chambers — a damp, low-ceilinged space — and discover the ashes of Ahuizotl, who was likely cremated on a funeral pyre in 1502.

By that time, Columbus had already landed in the New World. But the Aztecs' first contact with Europeans came 17 years later, in 1519, when Hernan Cortes and his band of conquistadors marched into the Mexico Valley and took hostage Ahuizotl's successor, his nephew Montezuma.

Ahuizotl's son Cuauhtemoc (kwow-TAY-mock) took over from Montezuma and led the last resistance to the Spaniards in the battle for Mexico City in 1521. He was later taken prisoner and killed. Like Montezuma, his burial place is unknown.

Because no Aztec royal tomb has ever been found, the archaeologists are literally digging into the unknown. Radar indicates the tomb has up to four chambers, and scientists think they will find a constellation of elaborate offerings to the gods on the floor.

"He must have been buried with solemn ceremony and rich offerings, like vases, ornaments ... and certainly some objects he personally used," said Luis Alberto Martos, director of archaeological studies at Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History.

The tomb's curse — water — may also be its blessing. Lopez Lujan said the constant temperature of the pH-neutral water in the flooded chambers, together with the lack of oxygen, discourages decomposition of materials like wood and bone that have been found at other digs around the pyramid, which was all but destroyed in the Conquest.

"This would be quite an important find for Aztec archaeology," said Michael Smith, an archaeologist at Arizona State University who is not connected to the dig. "It would be tremendously important because it would be direct information about kingship, burial and the empire that is difficult to come by otherwise."

All signs found so far point to Ahuizotl. The site lies directly below a huge, recently discovered stone monolith carved with a representation of Tlaltecuhtli (tlahl-tay-KOO-tlee), the Aztec god of the earth.

Depicted as a woman with huge claws and a stream of blood flowing into her mouth as she squats to give birth, Tlaltecuhtli was believed to devour the dead and then give them new life. The god was so fearsome that Aztecs normally buried her depictions face down in the earth. However, this one is face-up.

In the claw of her right foot, the god holds a rabbit and 10 dots, indicating the date "10 Rabbit" — 1502, the year of Ahuizotl's death.

"Our hypothesis is precisely that this is probably the tomb of Ahuizotl," Lopez Lujan said.

Any artifacts linked to Ahuizotl would bring tremendous pride to Mexico. The country has sought unsuccessfully to recover Aztec artifacts like the feather-adorned "shield of Ahuizotl" and the "Montezuma headdress" from the Ethnology Museum in Vienna, Austria.

"Imagine it — this wasn't just any high-ranking man. The Aztecs were the most powerful society of their time before the arrival of the Spaniards," Martos said. "That's why Ahuizotl's tomb down there is so important."
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This keeps pissing me off though. The Austrian Royal family used to wear the headdress at parties, just for fun-fukn assholes! How hard would it be to steal I wonder? They would probably follow me around if I went to that museum.

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Isn't Arnhuld an Austrian? If he is maybe he could get this headpiece from these royal shits and return it to Mexico
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^^uh huh.. like thats going to happen Ralo.. You know it won't.

As for the finding, it never ceases to amaze me how they are already making assertions regarding the find and they haven't even really begun..
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