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lol @ Nelio, quit being mean Nelio!
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Before the 80 in the US, you had a choice between black, white, and asian on birth and death certificates.

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The question is "Can we get it changed?"
Yes, you can. A friend of mine changed his. Let me ask him to see what's up.

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On my birthcertificate? No.
For my badge application to enter a government facility? yes.
I'm classified as White/Other.

I asked why there wasn't even a choice for latino or hispanic and she had no answer at all. just a blank stare. so you ain't alone bro.
That's a funny thing about government stuff, they give you a choice between white, asian, native, and black. My dad usually picks other.

Why do topics like these happen when I'm not here? I know stuff about this one way or another. LOL.
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btw, I just had my DNA tested it came back as indigenous or "Native American." There goes those dumbass assumptions about being born white.
Wow, this is a great victory! Now you can feel vindicated, finally.

So thats it though? Just "Native American"?? Nothing else?
Thats some pure bloodline you have there. I'm jealous

How much does this test cost, BTW?
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Wow, this is a great victory! Now you can feel vindicated, finally.

So thats it though? Just "Native American"?? Nothing else?
Thats some pure bloodline you have there. I'm jealous

How much does this test cost, BTW?
I'm assuming she tested for the maternal chromosone.
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Oye Chef, I don't know if you can change it. I think that if you've been labeled a caucasian from birth, then the federal government won't go for it because that would change the records(birth or census) too much. Also, if they don't HAVE to, then they feel they have no reason to.

In some circles, it's still that way. I have an older brother in a federal pen and according to the Department of Corrections, he's considered white. $hit, he looks like Cuauhtemoc! Bien moreno y la chingada. The classifications they have are(I believe) white, black, and asian I believe. As far as I know, Native Americans are also classified as white!(WTF!?). But if one of us is pulled over by the 5-0.....
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As far as I know, Native Americans are also classified as white!(WTF!?).
Correct.

Also check post number 82.
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Im my birth certificate its that my father was white, and on my race it says that i am also white same with my mother but she is orginally from Mexico i still dont understand.
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btw, I just had my DNA tested it came back as indigenous or "Native American." There goes those dumbass assumptions about being born white.
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Wow, this is a great victory! Now you can feel vindicated, finally.

How much does this test cost, BTW?
Yes, I do feel "vindicated" as it supports what I have believed for so long that my maternal and paternal lineages are indigenous. Some members of my family have allowed themselves to be whitewashed so much that this really comes as a surprise to them. For me, it's all I've known and held onto despite so much resistence by others not accepting my indigenousness. The thing is...racists don't want to recognize us as indigenous, but they surely treat us like we are NOT one of them. Go figure!

Unfortunately, these tests are several hundred dollars expensive.

Here are a few sites, plus the one that I used, the National Genographic Project:
http://www.genetree.com/ancestral/
http://www.healthanddna.com/genealogy.html
http://www.paternity-dna-tests.com/d...-test1338.html
http://www.genelex.com/

THE GENOGRAPHIC PROJECT:
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/index.html
This is the best deal because you can test for maternal lineage (males & females) or for paternal ancestry (males only). Each test costs $99.

You can also test your blood type. Nearly 100% of all "pure" Natives have type O blood (including myself).
http://www.hometrainingtools.com/cat...t-reviews-list

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So thats it though? Just "Native American"?? Nothing else?
Thats some pure bloodline you have there. I'm jealous
Yes. My family belongs to one of only five founding mitochodrial DNA lineages known in this hemisphere (Haplogroup A). Actually, there are more indigenous lineages in my family and not all of the lineages have been tested (yet).

If you really get into the science, all people who test can trace their lineage all the way back to Africa! I think it's way cool. Of course, all this testing requires some belief in the scientific method, and certainly, not everyone believes in science no more than one may not believe in a creation story. All of these results are narratives that people must piece together to make sense of their family history and ancestry.

Here are some results of my closest relations (based on the literature):
MY FAMILY IS HAPLOGROUP A





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Oye Chef, I don't know if you can change it. I think that if you've been labeled a caucasian from birth, then the federal government won't go for it because that would change the records(birth or census) too much. Also, if they don't HAVE to, then they feel they have no reason to.

In some circles, it's still that way. I have an older brother in a federal pen and according to the Department of Corrections, he's considered white. $hit, he looks like Cuauhtemoc! Bien moreno y la chingada. The classifications they have are(I believe) white, black, and asian I believe. As far as I know, Native Americans are also classified as white!(WTF!?). But if one of us is pulled over by the 5-0.....
I didn't know our American Indian bros. from the U.S. were classified as Caucasian as we are also. I think the government of the U.S. does this intentionally so that those of us with American Indian ancestry can remain ignorant and unaware of our American Indian heritage and right heirs to this continent by labelling us Latino, Hispanic, Caucasian, Mexican-American, etc. and whatever terms suggest that we are foreigners and alien to our own lands

Did you read posts # 11, 69, 70 and 88?
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I believe mine reads hispanic.. but not sure im going to have to take a look
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I didn't know our American Indian bros. from the U.S. were classified as Caucasian as we are also. I think the government of the U.S. does this intentionally so that those of us with American Indian ancestry can remain ignorant and unaware of our American Indian heritage and right heirs to this continent by labelling us Latino, Hispanic, Caucasian, Mexican-American, etc. and whatever terms suggest that we are foreigners and alien to our own lands

Did you read posts # 11, 69, 70 and 88?
Exactly. I also read your earlier comment and certainly agree!

By refusing to recognize us as indigenous, we are effectively NOT REPRESENTED before the U.S. Government. Really, why should the govt care to acknowledge the colonialism when they already claim this land as their homeland?

The govts just want us to be good tax-paying citizens on the bottom rungs of society, living paycheck to paycheck.

Also, our tax paying actually helps to keep us uneducated or shuffles us into the military, while also helping to pay for rich white sons and daughters to become college educated (yes that's where your tax dollars go); while we sit back in ignorance doing what we're doing, playing the pawn....OK going off topic, sorry, but this is a rant thread nonetheless!

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i got mine from mexico so im guessing it says mexican? i never looked
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You can also test your blood type. Nearly 100% of all "pure" Natives have type O blood (including myself).
http://www.hometrainingtools.com/cat...t-reviews-list
Make sense on the whole thing. I remember this DNA test thing on 10 Mexicans and a majority were surprised. LOL. 9 of them got their maternal native while 1 got it Spanish. I thought it was funny especially since they were Spanish pride type Mexicans. LOL.

Also, I always thought O was mix blood to tell you the truth. Not sure why especially since I saw a lot of Mexicans have it.

I have recordings on DNA, but not sure where to upload it.
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Make sense on the whole thing. I remember this DNA test thing on 10 Mexicans and a majority were surprised. LOL. 9 of them got their maternal native while 1 got it Spanish. I thought it was funny especially since they were Spanish pride type Mexicans. LOL.

Also, I always thought O was mix blood to tell you the truth. Not sure why especially since I saw a lot of Mexicans have it.

I have recordings on DNA, but not sure where to upload it.
this is funny, do you have the link to this article about Latin Pride mexicans who found out they were indios?
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btw, I just had my DNA tested it came back as indigenous or "Native American." There goes those dumbass assumptions about being born white.
When you had your DNA tested, was it all of it or just the mtDNA? Just curious. Also, where'd you get it done? I'd like to do the same.
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my birth certificate shows im white.....damn!!!
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[quote=tecpaocelotl]Before the 80 in the US, you had a choice between black, white, and asian on birth and death certificates.


Yes, you can. A friend of mine changed his. Let me ask him to see what's up.

quote]Gracias hermano, pero that typo is in the process of getting corrected

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my birth certificate shows im white.....damn!!!
Damn bro!....your whiter than me
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this is funny, do you have the link to this article about Latin Pride mexicans who found out they were indios?
No. This happened in real life. There's this org here in orange county which promotes finding your roots (They been bugging me for a while to join.) Anyway, they had this DNA test taken a year ago and they got they finally got their results. You should've seen their faces.
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No. This happened in real life. There's this org here in orange county which promotes finding your roots (They been bugging me for a while to join.) Anyway, they had this DNA test taken a year ago and they got they finally got their results. You should've seen their faces.
You should have filmed this or they should have done this on the Maury Povich show like when he does those pregnancy test results and you can see the reaction to the tests of the people bein tested

So what now, the ones who found out that they are indio are they still denying that theyre Indian?
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daaam that sucks...

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^^Because they can not put a SPECIES ON IT, just race and well... i will leave it at that:-p.

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So what now, the ones who found out that they are indio are they still denying that theyre Indian?
Practically they did the whole process of accept: first they were deny, then sad, then angry, and finally they are slowly accepting it.
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hmmm I am gonna have to go home and look at my birth certificate now..

I dont think mine says that cause I would of questioned it too pero imma take another look..
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