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What agenda would that be? Explain the fabrication.
How does THIS piece sound racist? Explain please.
Blaming the white man for your insecurities and for what someones european ancestor did . If your grandpa killed someone, why would it be your fault? Same logic in the argument.
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Blaming the white man for your insecurities and for what someones european ancestor did . If your grandpa killed someone, why would it be your fault? Same logic in the argument.
I don't see any blaming of the white man for insecurities in this article. Perhaps you can show me something I missed.

Your presented logic is cheap and superficial. It's really not a matter of it being someones fault, it's a matter of being responsible and showing integrity with the inheritance gained from your ancestor's crimes.

The question should be posed more like this.. if your grandpa killed someone,jacked their land, dismantled their family traditions and you continue to live on that inherited land and exploit said person's family and make it difficult for them to live their life in a free way.. would you be responsible?

That would be proper fitting logic.
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I don't see any blaming of the white man for insecurities in this article. Perhaps you can show me something I missed.

Your presented logic is cheap and superficial. It's really not a matter of it being someones fault, it's a matter of being responsible and showing integrity with the inheritance gained from your ancestor's crimes.

The question should be posed more like this.. if your grandpa killed someone,jacked their land, dismantled their family traditions and you continue to live on that inherited land and exploit said person's family and make it difficult for them to live their life in a free way.. would you be responsible?

That would be proper fitting logic.

So its the white man thats bringing you down right? Inherited land? No one inherited this land. This land belonged to NO ONE. This land belonged to the animals who freely roamed the country side. Why must I be responsible for my ancestors crimes? That makes no sense to me.
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So its the white man thats bringing you down right?
Please, let's stay on the matter at hand and then you can make further assumptions and investigations of how I stand.
I said..I don't see any blaming of the white man for insecurities in this article. Perhaps you can show me something I missed.

(this is where you would show me proof or acknowledge that you made a mistake in bringing that up)


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Inherited land? No one inherited this land.This land belonged to NO ONE. This land belonged to the animals who freely roamed the country side.
You would be correct, the land doesn't belong to native people, we belong to the land and as such it is our responsibility to take care of her.

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Why must I be responsible for my ancestors crimes? That makes no sense to me.
Please go back and marinate on my statement as you are obviously misconstruing it. If you continue to profit from the gains of the crimes of your ancestors then you should have responsibility to make amends.That is what I generally stated.
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You would be correct, the land doesn't belong to native people, we belong to the land and as such it is our responsibility to take care of her.
[Who says you belong to this land? God? God supposedly told some Europeans that they should take over the world. LOL!

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Please go back and marinate on my statement as you are obviously misconstruing it. If you continue to profit from the gains of the crimes of your ancestors then you should have responsibility to make amends.That is what I generally stated
How am I profiting from the crimes of my ancestors? Please enlighten me.

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Please, let's stay on the matter at hand and then you can make further assumptions and investigations of how I stand.
I said..I don't see any blaming of the white man for insecurities in this article. Perhaps you can show me something I missed.
Umm by the fact that you are telling me that I am profiting from the crimes of my ancestors, that is is telling me you have resentment towards the white man. Would it help you sleep at night if I told you that about 60-70% of Mexico is a descendant of the white man?
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.Never let those that died being prisoners of the colonies of Europe be forgotten.

......But the Real Owners of the Rights and Responsibilities that come from belonging to these Lands.
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Sounds like this crap is fabricated to suit your agenda. "white man this white man that".
what was he supposed to say?
"chinese man this, chinese man that?" lol
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Would it help you sleep at night if I told you that about 60-70% of Mexico is a descendant of the white man?
Where is this? Becides areas of Los Altos de Jalisco and a few neighborhoods in Guadalajara & Mexico City, that doesn't sound like Mèxico.
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Who says you belong to this land? God? God supposedly told some Europeans that they should take over the world. LOL!
Of course you evade the questions yet again.


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How am I profiting from the crimes of my ancestors? Please enlighten me.
ahh, so you admit you are not Mexican.



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Umm by the fact that you are telling me that I am profiting from the crimes of my ancestors, that is is telling me you have resentment towards the white man. ?
I never told you that YOU were profiting from the crimes of your ancestors. But since you admit you are not Mexican I guess it would apply.
And I have never once expressed any hatred for white people.

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Would it help you sleep at night if I told you that about 60-70% of Mexico is a descendant of the white man
Yes it would help me sleep because you are a person that obviously lacks comprehension skills. So any info you bring or declare I can pretty much guess that it is 60-70% bullshit.
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Me thinks Californio = libertariass
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It looks like you guys hate Europeans. Despite the fact that because of Europeans, you're living in a free country. If you don't like living in the U.S, go somewhere else. We want people to assimilate. You're a bump in my road.

Before European arrival *FREEDOM* was practicaly universal and understood.
Unlike how the Europeans did it by corrupting the world they pitched their flags in and only allowing one or two free nations so that the others will depend on them.

The Native Americans did not create freedom at the exspense of others, they knew freedom as an individual right from birth.
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^ Was the universal freedom to be gay, lesbian or bisexual as Mother Nature created our Native American Ancestors practiced by them as well?
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^ Was the universal freedom to be gay or lesbian also practiced by our Native American Ancestors as well?
Not all groups condonded homosexuality
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quite possible..cant be pelo.
Not at all, I am very much a proponent of common sense immigration reform. I am definitely for a form of what some on the right might call amnesty, although I would not be for blanket amnesty for anyone here. It would have to be a program of some kind of earned citizenship for the millions already here. I doubt this dude would be so open to that, but that is just a guess.
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funny cause this thread is about identity not immigration.
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Blaming the white man for your insecurities and for what someones european ancestor did . If your grandpa killed someone, why would it be your fault? Same logic in the argument.
I see you only like to blame Communists when it suits your crapaganda but when Whitey is accused of criminal acts Whitey is guilty of committing throughout history, you sugarcoat this and just dismiss this as Blame

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Not all groups condonded homosexuality
Which groups accepted it and which one's didn't?
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Which groups accepted it and which one's didn't?
I read somewhere a while back that the Mexica weren't fans of homosexual activity. But I've also read/heard that some Great Plains groups as well as the Hopi I believe, didn't frown upon homosexuality but considered it a third sex.
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^ Traditionally, Lakota have reverence for 2-Spirited People.
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funny cause this thread is about identity not immigration.
Yes, but I was answering your suspicion of me being Californio, and I had noticed yesterday he had a fairly strong position on immigration. So to quell any rumor that he and I are the same, I reiterated by stance on that position.
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I read somewhere a while back that the Mexica weren't fans of homosexual activity. But I've also read/heard that some Great Plains groups as well as the Hopi I believe, didn't frown upon homosexuality but considered it a third sex.
it would cool if u could pass that info on the mexica.

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Yes, but I was answering your suspicion of me being Californio, and I had noticed yesterday he had a fairly strong position on immigration. So to quell any rumor that he and I are the same, I reiterated by stance on that position.

ahh ok.
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it would cool if u could pass that info on the mexica.
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Where is this? Becides areas of Los Altos de Jalisco and a few neighborhoods in Guadalajara & Mexico City, that doesn't sound like Mèxico.
It's funny how you guys purposely deny the Spanish seed. That's like Barack Obama claiming he was white. The fact of the matter is Mestizo's compromise the majority population:

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Also, the majority of the Aztecs were wiped out because of disease. Around 90%. I have no clue where you guys get your history or demographic data for Mexico. It's quite hilarious.

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Before European arrival *FREEDOM* was practicaly universal and understood.
Unlike how the Europeans did it by corrupting the world they pitched their flags in and only allowing one or two free nations so that the others will depend on them.

The Native Americans did not create freedom at the exspense of others, they knew freedom as an individual right from birth.
And the Native Americans didn't, and couldn't maintain their land. They were in constant conflict with each other. If you don't like the current conditions, maybe you should join your indio compadres in the outskirts of Southern Mexico.
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Not at all, I am very much a proponent of common sense immigration reform. I am definitely for a form of what some on the right might call amnesty, although I would not be for blanket amnesty for anyone here. It would have to be a program of some kind of earned citizenship for the millions already here. I doubt this dude would be so open to that, but that is just a guess.
You support shamenesty? You support awarding people who are essentially "law breakers, or criminals" to be "forgiven"? If you break a law in this country, you can bet your ass you will probably not be forgiven. There was already a shamnesty-- we don't need another one. This means that every 20 or so years people are going to want more and more amnesty's. WHY?!
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Also, the majority of the Aztecs were wiped out because of disease. Around 90%. I have no clue where you guys get your history or demographic data for Mexico. It's quite hilarious.
That's about right but even with that percentage the non-indian population never reached more than 15% of the population.
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