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Old 01-24-2005
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how can one blame God for the imperfections of man?
who has done so ?
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Well if that is so then I think this "god" of theirs might want to come clean out the very church itself and really get all the filth out of it before having the audacity to send it out to all four corners to "purify" the earth of evil.

if this saviour didn't save the children from the gas chambers and the slave ships and the blankets infected with small pox the founding father himself distributed to ppl hoping to kill them because of their race and ethnicity then either your saviour is a part time saviour or he just plain gave up on everyone and quit.

If the holocaust did not get God to interfere then I really can't respect that God.

solitude is his handle but why do i need to answer when you can read
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you're right i can read. can you ?

i think you missed an important word in Solitude's post : IF


he blamed Christians for their actions, not their God.

he merely said IF their God existed and IF he was really a savior, THEN he could not respect this God, because he wouldn't have prevented the genocides.

but since he does not believe in your God, he blames the people.


you might want to read again,

and tell me where he said your God was responsible.

it i my opinion that he made very clear the fact that Christians massacred millions of people.

i dont see him saying that the Christian God massacred millions of people.
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sorry Perez, i thaught you were offline so i replied.
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boys boys these men who do this are not men of God but if you want to say that they are it is your right to do so.

i ask you this is everyone on this site a chicano?
how many claim to be a chicano?
now if you see a huero out in the street who claimed to be a chicano would he be?
everyone who sez he is something may not necessarily be who he sez to be. well it is late and i check you guys out later GOD BLESS YOU.
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boys boys these men who do this are not men of God but if you want to say that they are it is your right to do so.
where have you seen anyone here say that they are "men of god" ?



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i ask you this is everyone on this site a chicano?
nope. im not and i never claimed to be one.


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everyone who sez he is something may not necessarily be who he sez to be.
i agree with you, but i dont see how this point is relevant to this debate, or where it supports any of the points you've previously made.
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i ask you this is everyone on this site a chicano?
how many claim to be a chicano?
now if you see a huero out in the street who claimed to be a chicano would he be?
everyone who sez he is something may not necessarily be who he sez to be. well it is late and i check you guys out later GOD BLESS YOU.

When the leaders of the church themselves were a part of it then I think that qualifies them to be called "christians"

That's the great Christian excuse:

when lots of people using the authority of the Church are committing evil,
the defenders of those crimes just say, "Oh cmon! They weren't really Christians!"

Half the altars in Europe are made with precious metals stolen from the Western Hemisphere, much of it mined by slave labor, many of them children.
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a blind man full of hatred that his vision may be obscured.
So by sympathizing with the victims of slavery, genocide and holocausts I am being hateful?

I think your vision is obscured.

Well you see, here's how the rules work:

if a large group of people (who call themselves Christians) go around murdering, raping, stealing, and preaching the Bible...


they can all be dismissed as being "not true Christians" and this is no relfection against Christians in general (who allowed this.)


But the minute you point out those same "not real Christians" people for their crimes
you yourself are accused of "hate" against Christians.

or just hate in general.


SEE HOW THE DOUBLE STANDARD WORKS?
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