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Default There are MORE Catholics in Mexico than Italy

There are more Catholics in Mexico
than in Italy (where the Vatican is)

Yet there has never been a Mexican Pope.



And there never will be a Mexican Pope (not a brown one at least.)



In 500 years of Mexicans being Catholics,
there has NEVER been a Mexican even close to becoming Pope.


STATISTIC: half of all the world's Catholics reside in "Latin America."
Yet all of the Popes are WHITE and all of the candidates for Pope have been WHITE (except for one token African at the moment)


What do you think about that? is that a good thing?
Maybe we just need to "wait another 500 years"???
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Default Re: There are MORE Catholics in Mexico than Italy

Mexico has 110 million people. (85%-90%) are Catholic.

Italy has 57 million people. (95% are Catholic)
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...since between 1523 - 1978 there had been unexceptionally only Italian popes, it doesn't seem too convincing to me that this has anything to do with the color of their skin, but rather with being not-Italian...
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...since between 1523 - 1978 there had been unexceptionally only Italian popes, it doesn't seem to convincing to me that this has anything to do with the color of their skin, but rather with being not-Italian...
That statement reminda me of a guy who spends all night losing at a slot machine
and says later,

"I always lose. It has nothing to do with house odds."
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...would you explain this analogy to me?
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...would you explain this analogy to me?
Yes, it has been Italian-centric.

Now they have admitted a Polish Pope.

But it's still a White man. Those are the "house odds".


An unbroken parade of White Popes.
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...Italian-Centric is totally correct!
But there is no way to infer from the statistics that the reason for this is that "they" only accept white people as pope.
The big majority of the Italians is white. And since in the last scant 500 years they always picked an Italian this guy happend to be white. ...

I dare to say that none of these Italian popes of the last 500 years had blond hair, (This assumption might be wrong, but given that Italians mostly are brown/black haired not totally far fetched.)
Would you draw the conclusion from this that "they" don't want no blond guy?

...so far there hasn't been any pope from the US, although there live more catholics than in Italy... -- What would tell us this?

Don't get me wrong. I'd absolutely appreciate a non-white pope. ...but that's not the topic
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Did you know that you can't be president of Mexico if you're not Catholic?Bet that annoys a couple of people in here
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Hej Artista,
...no, I didn't know. - That is really bad IMO!!
I mean if the people want a (pseudo) catholic president they can just vote for one...
But that it is stipulated in advance is too much... I'd say...
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Did you know that you can't be president of Mexico if you're not Catholic?Bet that annoys a couple of people in here
Wow, I didnt know that either. Are you sure? Can you prove it?

Man, that pisses me off. Espeically because im not catholic and its bad enough the biggest celebrations in Mexico center around that religion. Almost makes me feel like im not Mexican.
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Only been back online for a few minutes(i forgot to log off) but yeah as soon as I find that article I saw in google, I'll put it in here.That's what I read but then again it could be wrong so don't get too upset Suave
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...Italian-Centric is totally correct!
But there is no way to infer from the statistics that the reason for this is that "they" only accept white people as pope.
The big majority of the Italians is white. And since in the last scant 500 years they always picked an Italian this guy happend to be white. ...


I just want to focus on what you just said:


- "The big majority of the Italians is white."

- "And since in the last scant 500 years they always picked an Italian this guy happend to be white. ..."



Imagine that you played a slot machine for "a scant 500 years"
and always cherries.

I suppose you would say that it was all coincidence, huh?
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Did you know that you can't be president of Mexico if you're not Catholic?Bet that annoys a couple of people in here

Did you know that a HUGE amount of moronic Americans voted for a man just because he thumps his bible and claims to be a Christian??
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Unfortunately, yes.But the other canidate(who happens to be Catholic)wasn't much better either That would be why I didn't vote.
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WOW, I never read that one about Mexico before.
I have to check that out for myself.


As for Bush, he claims to be a 'Christian."


But he's a member of the Methodist Church
and his own Methodist Church leaders even opposed his war on Iraq to the point of trying to vivit him in the White House.

So he isn't even a good Methodist, either.


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Did you know that a HUGE amount of moronic Americans voted for a man just because he thumps his bible and claims to be a Christian??
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...Italian-Centric is totally correct!
But there is no way to infer from the statistics that the reason for this is that "they" only accept white people as pope.
The big majority of the Italians is white. And since in the last scant 500 years they always picked an Italian this guy happend to be white. ...
Imagine that you played a slot machine for "a scant 500 years"
and always cherries.

I suppose you would say that it was all coincidence, huh?
Nono... rather the opposite.
I am not saying that the pope gets equally picked from all nationalities and color of skin groups. -- Which should be the case for a normal slot machine... no?
If you want that slot machine analogy you would for instance need to take a slot machine with only fruits on it, then play it for 500 years and wonder why no naked women came up. (...or maybe better the other way around )

What the data shows is that obviously they haven't looked much for a potential pope outside from Italy. (no coincidence here)
So as a consequence of that the chances were slim to pick a non-white person.... as well as to pick some German, French or Danish guy.

(in the last scant 500years) Spanish people had been neglected for this position the same way as Germans, French, .... Mexicans, Southafricans or what not... -- Not a color of skin issue, but a not-being-Italian-issue...

...no?


EDIT: I am not saying the church would exactly welcome a non-white pope. But to conclude this from the available data is pretty far fetched...
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New World Edition Encyclopedia was where I found it.
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Even within Italy, they ONLY pick White Popes.

I have been to Italy (when I was in the Air Force).

I was TDY near a southern town called Lecce.


Down there, I saw ALL KINDS of BROWN Italians.


If you examine Italian history, you will see that Italy is a multi-racial nation in a sense.

The Italians of the north are WHITES of AUSTRIAN descent, from when the Austro-Hungarian empire controlled Italy.

When Italy gained its independence, it tried unsuccessfully to drive those Northern Austrians out.

Today, it is Northern Italy that enjoys the money and industralization,
and southern Italy is a virtual shithole in many places.


It still comes down to a WHITE POPE.




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...Italian-Centric is totally correct!
But there is no way to infer from the statistics that the reason for this is that "they" only accept white people as pope.
The big majority of the Italians is white. And since in the last scant 500 years they always picked an Italian this guy happend to be white. ...
Imagine that you played a slot machine for "a scant 500 years"
and always cherries.

I suppose you would say that it was all coincidence, huh?
Nono... rather the opposite.
I am not saying that the pope gets equally picked from all nationalities and color of skin groups. -- Which should be the case for a normal slot machine... no?
If you want that slot machine analogy you would for instance need to take a slot machine with only fruits on it, then play it for 500 years and wonder why no naked women came up. (...or maybe better the other way around )

What the data shows is that obviously they haven't looked much for a potential pope outside from Italy. (no coincidence here)
So as a consequence of that the chances were slim to pick a non-white person.... as well as to pick some German, French or Danish guy.

(in the last scant 500years) Spanish people had been neglected for this position the same way as Germans, French, .... Mexicans, Southafricans or what not... -- Not a color of skin issue, but a not-being-Italian-issue...

...no?


EDIT: I am not saying the church would exactly welcome a non-white pope. But to conclude this from the available data is pretty far fetched...
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Even within Italy, they ONLY pick White Popes.
...how come you know? Have you seen pictures of all of them?
All I know is that they had been Italian, which in the previous discussion I took as white in the sense of Caucasian. ... what I know is that not all of them were born in the north of Italy, so it could well be that there have been popes less white than milk...
Where is the line between white and non-white? (maybe a topic for a new thread)

In my opinion it is very important to maintain a consistant reasoning and not mix it all together... it's very dangerous. And even if at the first glance it might not look like it, it's very contraproductive in the long-term.

Again, I agree that it could be well possibile that "the catholic church" is white-favored. But to back this up with the statistics that there hasn't been any pope from Las Americas (from native descent) in the last 500 years, but they all came from Italy, is a flawed reasoning. -- That's all I intended to mention.

Peace bro', I am out...
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